Net Jets to Furlough 500...??? Right...

[Trash8Mofo]

where is this informal survey? Can someone PM me the address? I was hired in the second half of 08, so believe me I'd love to see what the group is planning on doing. thanks.

 

[gunfyter]

I am going with 175.

And 75% of the people on the 18 day schedule will work 14 days instead.

trash ... the link is in the "Scoreboard" sticky on the union message board....

 

[gutshotdraw]

I'm praying for at least 20 at NJI take the early out and getting down on my knees while praying that 30 go for it and down on my knees pounding the floor begging and praying that a few names in particular take it.

And I don't pray.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

...and down on my knees pounding the floor begging and praying that a few names in particular take it.

LOL! We've got a few on the "A" side that we're hoping will do the same.

 

[CA1900]

where is this informal survey? Can someone PM me the address?

Trash8, it's on our internal union message board. If you haven't signed up, you should. And if you have, just look for the most recently-updated "Scoreboard" thread.

 

[flagshipper]

Ever read "How to lie with stats". People who are going to take one of the options are more likely to post that on the scorecard. So I think it is silly to think because 7 percent show an early out that we will somehow get 250 early outs

 

[Hawker dude]

Ever read "How to lie with stats". People who are going to take one of the options are more likely to post that on the scorecard. So I think it is silly to think because 7 percent show an early out that we will somehow get 250 early outs

come on dude. seriously?

what Grizz is saying is by taking the percentage of the 150 pilots that have taken the non-informal pole and taking the number of pilots that are taking the early out and than applying that to the total number of pilots we have overall and then take that percentage into it.

oh god, I just had a brain freeze. It is simple stats, you pole so many people and then find an average percentage overall.

 

[jppt2000]

come on dude. seriously?

what Grizz is saying is by taking the percentage of the 150 pilots that have taken the non-informal pole and taking the number of pilots that are taking the early out and than applying that to the total number of pilots we have overall and then take that percentage into it.

oh god, I just had a brain freeze. It is simple stats, you pole so many people and then find an average percentage overall.

Don't you dare pole me

 

[Trash8Mofo]

you pole so many people.

Pole!! Haha..I know I'm immature, I'm sorry I cannot resist .

Thanks guys about the scoreboard link.

 

[pilot772]

Ever read "How to lie with stats". People who are going to take one of the options are more likely to post that on the scorecard. So I think it is silly to think because 7 percent show an early out that we will somehow get 250 early outs

I'll take it the other way. I have flown with several guys that are over the age of 60 (most likely to take the buyout) that have never even been on the message board. So one could argue that a larger majority of guys taking the buyout have no idea about the informal poll. FWIW.

 

[Hawker dude]

Pole!! Haha..I know I'm immature, I'm sorry I cannot resist .

Thanks guys about the scoreboard link.

so you're saying you like the pole dance?

what do you expect from a pilot? let's see dumb a$s, I fly airplanes. I am not an English teacher, ya dork.

 

[imacdog]

Don't have to teach it to know it.

 

[Grizz]

I'll take it the other way. I have flown with several guys that are over the age of 60 (most likely to take the buyout) that have never even been on the message board. So one could argue that a larger majority of guys taking the buyout have no idea about the informal poll. FWIW.

Bingo. I'm thinking that 7% is actually low due to self-selection of the most computer savvy individuals in that demographic. I'm betting that over 200 take the early out.

 

[gunfyter]

Griz,

Did you see my math on it?

If everyone on the 18 day schedule switched to 14 days ... it is the equivalent of 360 fewer pilots. If 75% switched it is = to about 260 pilots.

260 + 200 (early-out) is the equivalent of 460 fewer pilots by these two measures alone.


I think that is an achievable goal. I doubt we have fewer than 75% switch to 14 days.

460 Pilot jobs potentially saved by Labor Management Cooperation ....

 

[RNObased]

Griz,

Did you see my math on it?

If everyone on the 18 day schedule switched to 14 days ... it is the equivalent of 360 fewer pilots. If 75% switched it is = to about 260 pilots.

260 + 200 (early-out) is the equivalent of 460 fewer pilots by these two measures alone.


I think that is an achievable goal. I doubt we have fewer than 75% switch to 14 days.

460 Pilot jobs potentially saved by Labor Management Cooperation ....

Your math is fuzzy IMHO. You have 200 taking early outs, those are guys no longer working, so 200 less pilots. Your net gain is only 260. It is all in how you look at it.

Now if you are talking about just the bottom of the senority list not the whole list, then I buy your numbers. Also think 75% coming off the 18 is a very high percentage, I would say 50% is closer to the truth.