Net Jets to Furlough 500...??? Right...

[jegermeister]

I sincerely hope there is an attitude of gracious sacrifice for the benefit of all that prevails. But history has shown there a great deal of I paid my dues, I got mine, too bad for you.

Pilot I hope you're wrong, but my gut tells me you're not. There are plenty here that will take one for the team, but in the end I question if there will be enough to step up to the plate to save those of us on the bottom.

I just had breakfast with a guy that won't give up what he's earned in the contract. I never let on to him about my position on the list and just let him go on.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

There appears to be plenty of worry in the junior guys that they will be on the street this year.

That is an accurate statement.

 

[gunfyter]

Yip,

40% of the pilots work the 18 day schedule. 50% work the 7&7 schedule.

18 day schedule pays about 19% more for flying the line 25% more days than the 7&7. Pilots get more money and the company gets a discount on per day cost of fly days. This man-power was needed at the time the CBA was written. However, with reduced flight demand ... these work days are NOT needed even at the discount.

The major measure offered that will reduce these excess man days is the 14 day schedule which 18 day pilots can voluntarily choose. For every 3 ... 18 day pilots who switch ... one more 7&7 pilot is needed to make up the reduced days worked....

If 900 pilots switch ... you now need to retain 300 7&7 pilots you did not need before.

Why would 18 day pilots switch and earn 18% less pay? How about they work 48 FEWER DAYS per year? Its nice to earn more money but if you figure out how much harder and how much per extra day it really is ... most will conclude as i have ... that money iss NOT worth it. Plus you save another guy's job.

The 18 day schedule sucks and was demanded by the company in negotiating the 2007CBA. Nobody likes that schedule... they only like making a little more money. This new 14 day offer is the BEST schedule we offer....

So it will not depend upon the goodness of peoples hearts to reduce man-days ... it will be QOL vs earnings.

We re NOT asking anyone to sacrifice anything... we are offering attractive choices that will also help solve the staffing level.

 

[brokeflyer]

This is not flame bait, please do not take it as such. But the bottom line is; will those who do not have any threat to their position voluntarily give up their income for the benefits of others. There appears to be plenty of worry in the junior guys that they will be on the street this year. How do I know as I said I have about 20 friends working there I have gotten calls wanting to know where are the jobs and who might be hiring. They are worried. I sincerely hope there is an attitude of gracious sacrifice for the benefit of all that prevails. But history has shown there a great deal of I paid my dues, I got mine, too bad for you.

yes, at least I did. And many others I know are.

 

[netjetwife]

From a family perspective, I agree with Gunfyter 100%. More time at home is a gain, not a loss. Furthermore, the pilots who don't care about those junior to them (a minority at NJA as IBB showed) will be motivated by their own self-interest to avoid the possibility of a downgrade and/or to help the company that provides their income.

For the NJA/I pilots, I think the idea of supporting those who have supported them is a basic concept that will be well demonstrated. When employees are treated respectfully and compensated fairly they are willing to go the extra mile for the employer. Likewise, the pilots know that NJASAP has worked tirelessly on their behalf and that supporting the measures their leaders helped to design is a show of good faith that has been earned many times over. I predict that the Joint Preventive Measures Campaign will be successful because the NJ families will recognize that it's the right thing to do.

Together Everyone Accomplishes More

 

[HazMat]

pilotyip

I suspect they are just seeing if there is anything else out there. I think they are trying to find out if they take the voluntary leave if there is some other flying job out there to make up the income loss. Many in the bottom 25% probably realize they are at risk and are looking hard at the voluntary leave. I hear we have received many phone calls seeing if jobs are available. Tough decisions for all involved I am sure

 

[RP170]

well you said before you wanted to know if our union would open up the CBA to change things to prevent job-loss.....that is exactly what we did.

We ARE taking a pay-cut. You dont work here so you dont have all the details, but take it from me. We are changing the entire CBA to save jobs COMPANY wide, not just union employees....it's pretty cool what is happening. Basicly they said we need to change things or we're gonna furlough, we said ok, lets change it.

So how can you say that now?

you cant have it both ways. Im taking a major pay cut to prevent a lay-off, and I'm glad I am.

Be happy.

And being in the bottom 300 or so I say "thank you." I really appreciate your generosity.

 

[netjetwife]

To clarify, the contract is not being changed. NJASAP and the Company made the preventive measures available thru a Letter of Agreement (LOA) signed by both parties. The new options were designed to augment the CBA and are entirely voluntary. Saving jobs at the same time makes it a true win/win situation.

Yes we will see some of the NJ families choose to trade money for additional time off, but there are no mandated pay cuts. Those pilots who prefer the status quo can have exactly that because their CBA remains unchanged.

The partnership between NJASAP and NJA is not limited just to the contract. They have an on-going relationship which enables them to address new issues and work together for mutually agreeable solutions.

 

[pilotyip]

This most likely worries many

Those pilots who prefer the status quo can have exactly that because their CBA remains unchanged.

Is for the "The I got mine, I don't need to share the pain crowd"? A test of the union brotherhood looking out for each other.

 

[gunfyter]

The I got mine ... that would be the non-union shop.


Where would your buddies (former studs) be right now if they stayed at USAJet? Would they still be employed?

The Pilots did not create over-staffing ... We simply help offer solutions.