Net Jets to Furlough 500...??? Right...

[HazMat]

pilotyip

I suspect they are just seeing if there is anything else out there. I think they are trying to find out if they take the voluntary leave if there is some other flying job out there to make up the income loss. Many in the bottom 25% probably realize they are at risk and are looking hard at the voluntary leave. I hear we have received many phone calls seeing if jobs are available. Tough decisions for all involved I am sure

 

[RP170]

well you said before you wanted to know if our union would open up the CBA to change things to prevent job-loss.....that is exactly what we did.

We ARE taking a pay-cut. You dont work here so you dont have all the details, but take it from me. We are changing the entire CBA to save jobs COMPANY wide, not just union employees....it's pretty cool what is happening. Basicly they said we need to change things or we're gonna furlough, we said ok, lets change it.

So how can you say that now?

you cant have it both ways. Im taking a major pay cut to prevent a lay-off, and I'm glad I am.

Be happy.

And being in the bottom 300 or so I say "thank you." I really appreciate your generosity.

 

[netjetwife]

To clarify, the contract is not being changed. NJASAP and the Company made the preventive measures available thru a Letter of Agreement (LOA) signed by both parties. The new options were designed to augment the CBA and are entirely voluntary. Saving jobs at the same time makes it a true win/win situation.

Yes we will see some of the NJ families choose to trade money for additional time off, but there are no mandated pay cuts. Those pilots who prefer the status quo can have exactly that because their CBA remains unchanged.

The partnership between NJASAP and NJA is not limited just to the contract. They have an on-going relationship which enables them to address new issues and work together for mutually agreeable solutions.

 

[pilotyip]

This most likely worries many

Those pilots who prefer the status quo can have exactly that because their CBA remains unchanged.

Is for the "The I got mine, I don't need to share the pain crowd"? A test of the union brotherhood looking out for each other.

 

[gunfyter]

The I got mine ... that would be the non-union shop.


Where would your buddies (former studs) be right now if they stayed at USAJet? Would they still be employed?

The Pilots did not create over-staffing ... We simply help offer solutions.

 

[pilotyip]

some would some wouldn't

The I got mine ... that would be the non-union shop. Where would your buddies (former studs) be right now if they stayed at USAJet? Would they still be employed?

Lets hope you are right that everyone shares in the pain. It would be an encouraging sign in this era of self first. BTW Many of the USA Jet guys who left were senior enought they would still have jobs today.

 

[netjetwife]

Obviously, the "I got mine attitude" isn't popular with NJASAP pilots. Had it been, IBB would have failed and the junior pilots would still be stuck in one of the (previous) five Domiciles at lower wages.

On the subject of offering solutions, it has been very interesting to watch the process unfold from discussions-at-the-kitchen-table stage to a package of options that will be offered to employees throughout the Company. Obviously, RTS is pleased with the NJASAP leadership's contribution to the Joint Preventive Measures. I think the pilotgroup will respond with a participation level which reflects the cooperative spirit of the labor-management partnership.

 

[gunfyter]

Lets hope you are right that everyone shares in the pain. It would be an encouraging sign in this era of self first. BTW Many of the USA Jet guys who left were senior enought they would still have jobs today.

Why wouldn't all of them still be employed? Wouldn't everyone share the pain at the non-union shop? Or are you guys the "I got mine type"?

Jobs will be saved here because of the generosity of the company and the union members and non-bargaining support employees cooperating....

And ... thus far no furloughs have been asked for ....

Obviously if staffing levels are higher than current demand ... the company could furlough if they wanted to... to save money. These measures are PRO-ACTIVE to keep them from WANTING TO.

 

[glasspilot]

Anyone ever sail through the Panama Canal? I did a lifetime ago.

There are about 6 or 8 locks on each side of a massive lake. If each lock were full and they wanted to get each one down to half they would have to let water out of the lowest one, then bring water from the next one into the lowest one, and then bring water from the next one and so on.

A much faster way would be to bring most of the needed water out of each lock at the same time and then fine tune it with smaller amounts using the trickle down method.

Pretty abstract idea here, I know, but it seems like that is what NetJets is trying to do. Get the numbers down across the fleets and then fine tune if needed with smaller numbers.

 

[rondo]

Anyone ever sail through the Panama Canal? I did a lifetime ago.

There are about 6 or 8 locks on each side of a massive lake. If each lock were full and they wanted to get each one down to half they would have to let water out of the lowest one, then bring water from the next one into the lowest one, and then bring water from the next one and so on.

A much faster way would be to bring most of the needed water out of each lock at the same time and then fine tune it with smaller amounts using the trickle down method.

Pretty abstract idea here, I know, but it seems like that is what NetJets is trying to do. Get the numbers down across the fleets and then fine tune if needed with smaller numbers.

Whoa dude. Did you ever notice that clouds are shaped like animals and sometimes they change from a goat to a turtle.

Make sure you prepare for you next drug test.

 

[netjetwife]

.... These measures are PRO-ACTIVE to keep them from WANTING TO.

Correction: to keep them from NEEDING TO. Had NJA actually wanted to furlough pilots they could have done so already like other frac companies have recently done. Your mention of generosity and cooperation, Gunfyter, are spot on.

We're seeing a high return on the investment of time and effort put into the Labor-Management partnership. Success in this joint venture will pay huge dividends in the future. The resultant increases in loyalty, trust, etc would be the silver lining in this economic cloud.

Glass, I like analogies and I think your's is a fitting one for the situation. It does, indeed, appear to be the methodology they're using. To continue your water theme...

The smooth sailing previously enjoyed by the NJ families has been disrupted by economic storms. We've hit rough waters and the USS NetJets has sprung a leak. Now is the time for all hands to grab a bucket and start bailing together. Teamwork is the answer.

 

[RNObased]

Correction: to keep them from NEEDING TO. Had NJA actually wanted to furlough pilots they could have done so......

Hmmm... That is one way to look at it.

 

[jonjuan]

It's official...

nja will NOT furlough. If they had to, they would be not be pi$$ing away millions advertising at the derby.

On a side note, what's up with all the rappers at the race and why wasn't there a fly-over?

 

[Pervis]

nja will NOT furlough. If they had to, they would be not be pi$$ing away millions advertising at the derby.

On a side note, what's up with all the rappers at the race and why wasn't there a fly-over?

You misunderstand JJ. I'll bet the advertising cost very little. Last year, RTS established a pension fund for all jockies injured on the job. They had no protections at all before that. He is also very much part of the "in" crowd along side the other owners.

Lots of those rappers fly with us, and a flyover would look bad when we offer carbon offsets at the same time. And our last flyover (IBT 1108) had something to do with a POSTA we shot down in 2004. Things have improved a bit since then. Ya gotta hand it to the boss. He's one slick guy.

 

[netjetwife]

JJ, I think it would be a mistake for junior NJ pilots to plan their future based on your observation. :erm: We've all heard that it takes money to make money, so advertising when you need to increase demand for your service does make sense. If it works--great. If not, NJA is still left with more pilots than they need to meet current demand. Who seriously expects to be paid to stay home more than the occasional day? After all, we're in an economic melt-down, not just the normal slow period.