Pinnacle Delta Flow-through

[andyd]

Nice idea, but do you really think that the pilots will be given control of hiring standards at any airline? Maybe you should start with scope first...

Two of the 3 person panel that interviewed me were active DAL Captains, the person in charge and that gave me the letter of hire...retired DAL Captain. His assistant that decided who's of the 10,000 apps to send to Arnie to be reviewed for an invite to interview: Retired DAL Captain.

 

[crj567]

It will prove that as the flow up a flow can work for the regional guy too.
It may not be at a carrier like EV who is established, but it is a start. When XJ flows to DAL is will prove that an established carrier has a flow that works.

Lets just hope it is not negotiated away for some BS protection.

TRANSLATION:

"Screw everyone else, just give me a place to go when I get furloughed."

-You should have heard this tool a few years back.

 

[Moustache]

TRANSLATION:

"Screw everyone else, just give me a place to go when I get furloughed."

-You should have heard this tool a few years back.

Did you wake up too early?

 

[CFI2766]

It will prove that as the flow up a flow can work for the regional guy too.
It may not be at a carrier like EV who is established, but it is a start. When XJ flows to DAL is will prove that an established carrier has a flow that works.

Lets just hope it is not negotiated away for some BS protection.

I think that most people would like for there to be a win/win scenario here. However, it seems that the only people that a flow up/through/back will ultimately benefit are the mainline guys looking for a fall back plan in tough times.

Create a plan that is equally fair to the regional guys when times are good, and provisions to make said plan fair to the regional guys when times are tough, and there might be more interest.

 

[flyboyike]

I think that most people would like for there to be a win/win scenario here. However, it seems that the only people that a flow up/through/back will ultimately benefit are the mainline guys looking for a fall back plan in tough times.

Create a plan that is equally fair to the regional guys when times are good, and provisions to make said plan fair to the regional guys when times are tough, and there might be more interest.

Amen!

 

[PuffDriver]

TRANSLATION:

"Screw everyone else, just give me a place to go when I get furloughed."

-You should have heard this tool a few years back.

:bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

The chickens are coming home to roost. Regional are not the growth machines that the regional guys used to think they were. They are not cash cows anymore. They are feeling the pinch from their over expansion. With the exception of Mesa, Delta really doesn't care who feeds them, and with the glut of regionals, their contracts are coming under fire. Costs need to be cut--as in pilot costs. The regional wage peaked, and is feeling intense pressure down.

Your career has been made on the backs of legacy pilots, and the control of that career has always been in the hands of people other than you. Up to recently, it has been give, give, give from the legacies and take, take, take on your part. Those days are drawing to a close.

The reality is setting in. Your airlines do a poor job of feeding. You do a poor job of customer service in and out of the plane. RJs are cramped and hot, and not a good place to sit for 2 hours with no updates from the crew. Look for more changes as more 50 seaters get parked, and more embs come on line to airlines whose MECs are more cooperative with the DAL mec.

It's reality, it's what I have been predicting for awhile, and it's happening.

Irony is a bitch, isn't it.

 

[sweptback]

:bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

The chickens are coming home to roost. Regional are not the growth machines that the regional guys used to think they were. They are not cash cows anymore. They are feeling the pinch from their over expansion. With the exception of Mesa, Delta really doesn't care who feeds them, and with the glut of regionals, their contracts are coming under fire. Costs need to be cut--as in pilot costs. The regional wage peaked, and is feeling intense pressure down.

Your career has been made on the backs of legacy pilots, and the control of that career has always been in the hands of people other than you. Up to recently, it has been give, give, give from the legacies and take, take, take on your part. Those days are drawing to a close.

The reality is setting in. Your airlines do a poor job of feeding. You do a poor job of customer service in and out of the plane. RJs are cramped and hot, and not a good place to sit for 2 hours with no updates from the crew. Look for more changes as more 50 seaters get parked, and more embs come on line to airlines whose MECs are more cooperative with the DAL mec.

It's reality, it's what I have been predicting for awhile, and it's happening.

Irony is a bitch, isn't it.

Look, neither side is blameless. I could have written a condescending and snarky reply like you did but I'm not like that.

We both have something that the other side wants and the sooner EACH SIDE realizes that, the sooner we can make things happen.

If we keep playing the "us-versus-them" mentality that you guys are playing now, it's never going to happen.

 

[PuffDriver]

Look, neither side is blameless. I could have written a condescending and snarky reply like you did but I'm not like that.

We both have something that the other side wants and the sooner EACH SIDE realizes that, the sooner we can make things happen.

If we keep playing the "us-versus-them" mentality that you guys are playing now, it's never going to happen.

That's the point. There is nothing that the regionals have that the legacies want and cannot get. There is plenty that the regionals want that they simply must wait and see what happens.

The legacies control the game. The regionals are simply a product of the outcome.

It's not condescending. It's reality. The sooner the regionals realize that, the better off they will be.

It is what it is.

 

[flyboyike]

That's the point. There is nothing that the regionals have that the legacies want and cannot get. There is plenty that the regionals want that they simply must wait and see what happens.

The legacies control the game. The regionals are simply a product of the outcome.

It's not condescending. It's reality. The sooner the regionals realize that, the better off they will be.

It is what it is.

That sounds familiar. Is this where I say "Yes, massa, whatever you say, massa?"

 

[sweptback]

That's the point. There is nothing that the regionals have that the legacies want and cannot get. There is plenty that the regionals want that they simply must wait and see what happens.

The legacies control the game. The regionals are simply a product of the outcome.

It's not condescending. It's reality. The sooner the regionals realize that, the better off they will be.

It is what it is.

Are you sure about that? DCI carriers fly over 50% of the domestic flights. How does mainline get that back without making huge concessions, if it's even possible?