Ok, this will be my final post on this thread. Don't let it hurt your feelings, but I'll be "ignoring" you in the future.
promise it wont 
Maybe its because you psychically knew that I "pooped my pants," and am so ashamed. Meanwhile, congrats if you passed the 4,000 hr mark. You had previously posted your experience, so I'm not sure why you want to deny it now.
There you go again making stuff up. I never told you nor did i deny my "experience". I probably have somewhere between 4-5000hrs, i dont know cause i stopped doing my logbook after i started with NWA. Either way it doesnt matter because my time just got me the interview. the rest of my qualifications, sim eval, and HR interview is what got me the job.
I fully understand the flow process. Your assertions about why XJ pilots were ignored during hiring are false
Ignored? Its not being ingnored when the process of the flow agreement is followed. Same thing happened with CAL and Coex. No One from Coex could get hired outside the flow. In fact when recalls happened and hiring started again at CAL. No one from XJT could get hired until all of the Preferential guys were brought on board. They actually told guys that had "ins" (family) they could get hired at CAL but they would have to quit XJT first . I had to point that out.
Just pointing that out also. And my comments were purely tangential, and made because NU wanted to know my opinion about my view of a staple.
History does repeat itself. Back in 2001, I had a scheduled interview at NWA that never happened. But with my roughly 4,000 hrs at the time, I was in line in front of far more deserving people than me. Now, that doesn't mean I should have passed up my chance..but here's why it was wrong. We actually had some proof that NWA was ignoring anyone who was currently flying the AVRO and going to lower time guys (probably to save on training costs). There were plenty of people who had paid their dues way more than I, who had great training records, etc.
I wasnt talking about pre-911 hiring practices. There is always someone with more time or who could be considered more qualified but thats not your nor my job to figure out. We arent part of HR and we doont do the hiring. All we can do is work hard and pursue what we want in our careers. Some are luckier than others, some have more connections, and some just are unlucky. I'm sure there are others that are more deserving of your current seat, does that mean you shouldnt except or fly in your position? And as has been stated on other threads, similar practices have been seen at other carriers as well.
thats true.
What NWA was doing is a form of discriminatory hiring practice.
in the case that i discussed, they arent being discrimitory in hiring from CPZ or Mesaba if they(HR) are following a contractual flow through agreement. It is not dissimilar to not interviewing blacks back in the old days. I think it is fundamentally wrong. But if I were truly bitter, I would go hire a lawyer and sue. If you wish to put a label on my factual comments as whining, go right ahead.
I said you were whining because you continue to ignore that there is a process on how the flow through works. If they hire from the list outside of the flow agreement then the flowthrough is pointless to YOUR pilots. The flow is based on seniority and getting hired out of that would mean leapfrogging those senior guys that are waiting to flow up.
I personally don't think I'm entitled to anything. As JC Lawson said, "you don't get what you deserve, you get what you take." And I'm certainly not bitter toward mainline pilots. I have plenty of friends working at lots of majors, including DAL.
Good than you'll excuse me for not passing up the opportunity i earned. No one gave me this job, i had no internal recs, and i made many sacrifices to get to where i'm at now. Are there people with more time that didnt get hired? Sure! Are there others that have made sacrifices that havent been hired? Yup! We're all handed a hand in the card game and some just get better hands. I know that i've been fortunate but i also know that i've worked hard also.
Included in that list is MonsterBuck. He applied to Delta when it was still separate. We discussed at length the pluses and minuses about making the jump, vs. waiting for a flow. I'm glad he's at DAL now, and they got a good pilot in the deal. But he had to do it because NWA wouldn't interview him. At the time, I decided against because I it was pre-merger, and I didn't want to take the chance on commuting for life vs. spending more time at home with family.
We all had to make decisions and your's are very good reasons also. I myself have a family and it was a risk for us also. We decided the risk vs reward was there and we ran with it. I have a long time left in this career and feel very fortunate to be where i am at this point in my career.
As for your question about my qualifications, I meet the quals for any major. I have passed up opportunities at JBLU and CAL because I didn't want the commute
again to each their own, but its all about your own personal sacrifices. If its not worth it to you personally than good for you for not taking it. I commute, its not fun, but that was one of the sacrifices i had to live with. We'll probably move later on and put the commuting to an end but for now we're making the best of it. (and a non-union airline in the case of JBLU). I never applied to cargo airlines because I have done night flying before and will never again.
I agree, not for me either. I havent flown freight but i've done enough redeyes to know thats not for me.
I could give lots more detail, but this is rapidly becoming a massive waste of time.
