Compass agreement

[Raskal]

^^ Understood.

 

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There will probably never be a staple. 70%+ of the pilots over here want you to interview.
That is why a bi-lateral flow is the best that you can hope for under the current thinking.

Mesaba fought the bilateral flow, have they changed their mind?

 

[N2264J]

You guys also didn't want a %100 bi-lateral flow. The ONLY reason you guys signed on to what little flow that XJ has, is because the hammer was coming down: "give us a flow down, or no shiny new jets".

When did ALPA whipsawing its own members start passing for unity or brotherhood?

 

[N2264J]

There will probably never be a staple. 70%+ of the pilots over here want you to interview.

Because Delta pilots are "partners with management." "Union" isn't their strong suit, outside of their own cult, regardless of what they say.

Tell me, did the PanAm pilots interview? Northeast? Western? Are they interviewing the Northwest pilots right now?

 

[PuffDriver]

When did ALPA whipsawing its own members start passing for unity or brotherhood?

:bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

 

[PuffDriver]

Because Delta pilots are "partners with management." "Union" isn't their strong suit, outside of their own cult, regardless of what they say.

Tell me, did the PanAm pilots interview? Northeast? Western? Are they interviewing the Northwest pilots right now?

:bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

 

[PuffDriver]

Because Delta pilots are "partners with management." "Union" isn't their strong suit, outside of their own cult, regardless of what they say.

Tell me, did the PanAm pilots interview? Northeast? Western? Are they interviewing the Northwest pilots right now?

Actually, Delta pilots don't hire. Delta does. We at Delta support the fact that management can be choosy with respect to who gets hired and who doesn't. One merely has to look at the last round of hiring to find the desirable/skilled pilots and the airlines from which they came, and one could also look at the airlines whose pilot ranks didn't fare so well in the skilled/desirable criteria.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Those were mergers as you know. DAL bought a like carrier. They did not operate them as a separate wholly owned entity. That was never their intention.
As you are seeing with NWA their desire is to merge the two groups, DAL and NWA, harmonize all of their operations and gain substantial cost saving to do so. This is why NWA pilots, Western and PanAm pilots do not interview for those jobs. They are merging them in to us. That was never the goal or desire of management with OH, EV, or XJ. CPS is a different animal, and we will see how they do that. The three other airlines mentioned are operated as separate carriers on their own tickets as wholly owned or now FFD carriers. It is not the desire or intention of management to change that.
Now, we as a union can work with management to realize savings of doing so, but management needs to play along to make that happen. Will it? The answer for the time being is almost always NO.

As Puff stated look at the people they hired this last round. 95% of them had Executive management experience, Flt Ops Operation, Training, or management experience. From the military pilots they had all of that too. Fact is that DAL can require a stellar resume from it candidates. Why? Because they always have, have always found the correct individuals, and the pool is full of these individuals.
As I stated in a previous post. You want to come to DAL, go to CPS where there is a direct flow, or go get the experience outside of flying the line that makes you stand out in the seat of over 12K qualified applicants. Next time around, I would venture to guess that we will see over 20K applicants. That is just to start.
Will they every get ride of the college degree requirement? Maybe. In the 2015 to 2025 time frame, they will need to be hiring 500 to 1000 pilots a year to just keep up with attrition. If there is ever a chance that is when it would happen. Now, I find it quite doubtful given who is in the wings being groomed to take over the Flt Ops leadership positions of tomorrow.

 

[profit]

What makes you think that?

Compass is made up of a lot Pinnacle, Mesaba, Comair, ASA, Eagle, Xjet, ATA, and more. Just because Compass has been around for about 2 years does not mean the pilots have not been put "sweat equity" into DAL and NWA

I'm curious how many Pinnacle, Mesaba, and Comair pilots are there. I believe somewhat in family scope, and if you came from another within the family, you should have some "family seniority". But I can barely think of a few Mesaba pilots who jumped ship for Compass. And the reason family matters some is because DAL and NWA intentionally ignore them when it comes to offering interviews in the first place.

As for time within the family, I'd say the VAST majority of -900 Captains at XJ have 10+ years.

 

[profit]

Mesaba fought the bilateral flow, have they changed their mind?

Does it not make sense to have protections for people who DON"T want to flow ever?

And I believe Compass has 10% protection language for protection rights as well don't they? Wouldn't that mean its not truly bi-lateral?

 

[profit]

Actually, Delta pilots don't hire. Delta does. We at Delta support the fact that management can be choosy with respect to who gets hired and who doesn't. One merely has to look at the last round of hiring to find the desirable/skilled pilots and the airlines from which they came, and one could also look at the airlines whose pilot ranks didn't fare so well in the skilled/desirable criteria.

Ok, so devil's advocate here. If you wish to be "choosy" shouldn't you shut down the non-interview based flow at Mesaba then?

 

[PuffDriver]

Ok, so devil's advocate here. If you wish to be "choosy" shouldn't you shut down the non-interview based flow at Mesaba then?

It's not up to me. It's up to Delta. I think that they have done a great job given our last round of hiring, both in the people that they did hire, and as importantly the people they did NOT.

Funny how all the people who claim not to have interest in Delta spend so much time talking about us.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

ACL, any word from the PTC show last night?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

And the reason family matters some is because DAL and NWA intentionally ignore them when it comes to offering interviews in the first place.

As for time within the family, I'd say the VAST majority of -900 Captains at XJ have 10+ years.

DAL does not ignore it's "family" members. A huge portion of the 700 pilots hired in this last round were from DCI carriers.

You're in a different culture now.


As far as time in the family.... well when you get up well past 10 years, you know where I'm going with the likely quality of the applicant.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Some good stuff at the meeting. Most was just the same ole same ole.

Looks like there might be a contradiction on the MD-90's. Route says they are growth where flt ops says they are replacements.
I believe the route guys since they drive the company.

 

[IFLYIMC]

Not trying to hi-jack this thread but I see bigger issues here with the DALPA. I think the first priority is to recall all the NWA furloughs. We still have three great NWA furloughs that were suppose to be recalled last spring and then in the fall of 08. My understanding of the situation is that nobody is giving them any answers to when they will join DA.