Compass agreement

[Superpilot92]

So the Compass single list resolution failed at the MEC meeting.....Why? After all they only wanted a staple and the resolution only directed the MEC to "study" it....No reason for it to fail...unless the two-tiered level within ALPA is still alive and kicking....

I believe it passed at each base that it was presented at. (3 lecs from what i heard) Believe it or not, there is a significant push going on now.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

*sigh* ... and Joe Merchant breaches the door, and hijacks another thread. Yaaaaaay!

 

[PCL_128]

So the Compass single list resolution failed at the MEC meeting.....

Can any DAL guys confirm this? Seems like bad politics to me for an MEC to vote down a resolution that was passed by 3 out of 4 Local Councils.

 

[flyboyike]

Flyboyike isn't worried about "flowing up"....he is worried about you flowing back...

Exactly right.

 

[flyboyike]

It doesn't really matter what you or I think. Comair will not have a flow. I'm not even sure Comair will exist in a few years. If it is still here, I'm not sure you won't be furloughed in a few months anyway due to Comair cutbacks. You might not have a seat to offer for flow anyway.

I agree with you on all of that, especially Comair's existence. To my mind, though, that's all the more reason for me NOT to blindly surrender my seat (however secure or insecure it is) to flowback. IOW, I feel there is enough pressure on my job security without yet another threat.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I believe it passed at each base that it was presented at. (3 lecs from what i heard) Believe it or not, there is a significant push going on now.

Two different Delta pilots, who are reliable, have stated that the MEC did not pass it at their meeting last week.

 

[JoeMerchant]

*sigh* ... and Joe Merchant breaches the door, and hijacks another thread. Yaaaaaay!

I'm sorry...I thought this thread was about Compass and subsequently the resolution to staple Compass....What was I thinking?

 

[N2264J]

Now you want a seat at the table at no charge. Forget it my man, you guys need to anti up.

As ALPA members in good standing, we've already paid for a seat at the table.

 

[N2264J]

Your group will agree to the flow or your group will lose flying.

Help me out here; when did ALPA whipsawing its own members start passing for unity?

 

[Monster Buck]

As ALPA members in good standing, we've already paid for a seat at the table.

At your MEC table and the national table, not our MEC table. Three different tables. And no Joe I don't want to start that discussion. It is what it is.

 

[JoeMerchant]

At your MEC table and the national table, not our MEC table. Three different tables. And no Joe I don't want to start that discussion. It is what it is.

Don't worry...that discussion will be had in court....

 

[Superpilot92]

Don't worry...that discussion will be had in court....

 

[NuGuy]

Can any DAL guys confirm this? Seems like bad politics to me for an MEC to vote down a resolution that was passed by 3 out of 4 Local Councils.

Heyas PCL,

There were NO single list/staple resolutions presented at the MEC, nor were there any presented at the LEC level.

What WAS passed at the 3 LECs and at the MEC was to keep the representational structure at Compass as it is, which is a significant step.

Nu

 

[PuffDriver]

Thanks. Where I come from, we like our risk to be commensurate with the benefits, not outweigh them hundreds to one.

The benefits far outweigh the risk. All you have to do is ask any Delta pilot who is former regional. Flew with one today. Left his regional after 10 years. Says that it was way better here than there.

Haven't heard one yet say that they regret it, even in the face of potential furlough.

You must have some RJDC in you.

 

[PuffDriver]

I'm sorry...I thought this thread was about Compass and subsequently the resolution to staple Compass....What was I thinking?

You weren't thinking. You never are. Too busy with
:bawling: :bawling: :bawling:
I guess.

 

[PuffDriver]

Help me out here; when did ALPA whipsawing its own members start passing for unity?

About the time JC Lawson tried to overplay perceived leverage into strong arm negotiating tactics.

Press on with your :bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

 

[PCL_128]

Heyas PCL,

There were NO single list/staple resolutions presented at the MEC, nor were there any presented at the LEC level.

What WAS passed at the 3 LECs and at the MEC was to keep the representational structure at Compass as it is, which is a significant step.

Nu

Ah, ok. That sounds more like it. I'm glad they did the right thing and decided to keep the structure intact.

 

[Superpilot92]

The benefits far outweigh the risk. All you have to do is ask any Delta pilot who is former regional. Flew with one today. Left his regional after 10 years. Says that it was way better here than there.

Haven't heard one yet say that they regret it, even in the face of potential furlough.

You must have some RJDC in you.

I agree 100%

 

[flyboyike]

The benefits far outweigh the risk. All you have to do is ask any Delta pilot who is former regional. Flew with one today. Left his regional after 10 years. Says that it was way better here than there.

Haven't heard one yet say that they regret it, even in the face of potential furlough.

You must have some RJDC in you.

I think you may be missing my point, I'm not suggesting mainline isn't "better" than regional. My concern lies elsewhere, namely: if the only way a regional pilot can have shot at a flowup is if he agrees to give up his seat to a flowdown at 100%, then, given that the odds of mainline furloughing is generally greater than hiring (at least for the next few years), the downside is far greater than the upside. Now, if the mainline MEC were to say that any openings at mainline will go to the regional guys at 100% (and no, I don't necessarily mean Comair, could be Mesaba, Pinnacle, you name it), then you might say that the risk/benefit ratio is somewhat more favorable, but that's not what they're saying and even if they were, I'm not sure I'd believe them.

As it is (at least this is how I perceive it), the mainliners demand certainty on the flowdown side, while offering either a remote "maybe" or nothing at all on the flowup side. And yes, I'm perfectly aware that the flowup (even if there were one) won't benefit me for some time, but a flowdown could put me on the street tomorrow. I just don't want my (or any other regional's) MEC to get duped (again).

 

[PuffDriver]

I think you may be missing my point, I'm not suggesting mainline isn't "better" than regional. My concern lies elsewhere, namely: if the only way a regional pilot can have shot at a flowup is if he agrees to give up his seat to a flowdown at 100%, then, given that the odds of mainline furloughing is generally greater than hiring (at least for the next few years), the downside is far greater than the upside. Now, if the mainline MEC were to say that any openings at mainline will go to the regional guys at 100% (and no, I don't necessarily mean Comair, could be Mesaba, Pinnacle, you name it), then you might say that the risk/benefit ratio is somewhat more favorable, but that's not what they're saying and even if they were, I'm not sure I'd believe them.

As it is (at least this is how I perceive it), the mainliners demand certainty on the flowdown side, while offering either a remote "maybe" or nothing at all on the flowup side. And yes, I'm perfectly aware that the flowup (even if there were one) won't benefit me for some time, but a flowdown could put me on the street tomorrow. I just don't want my (or any other regional's) MEC to get duped (again).

No problem. Keep what you have. My guess is that a deal will be had by some of our affiliates, or perhaps only Compass. Look for the growth at that/those affiliates, and the other operations to shrink. It's not a "duping" thing. You are flying block hours which are under the control of the Delta MEC and Delta. If job security starts to become a concern, those hours will find a way to have a Delta butt sitting on them. Those who cooperate with the Delta MEC will be given priority to share in those hours. Those who do not, well, we've seen what happens to them in good times and bad--haven't we?