Airtran Pilots Want ALPA=WHY?

[Rez O. Lewshun]

twepilot... when lear70 got the smackdown... many of us manned up and helped a brother out.... did you?

 

[twepilot]

Does anyone have a shred of evidence that the company said or even alluded that if we passed TA whatever that the comapny would re-hire our two "hostages". No, I didn't think so.

Again, tell me what makes A person so important that gains and progress for a huge group is held up? Pretty arrogant if you ask me.

RV

 

[SkiFishFly]

Sorry about your particular instance, but technically you were caught pseudo-defrauding the company of sick time. You might not like hearing that but as I see it, that is what happened, technically.

RV

You are wrong on this point. This is what the company would like you (and the rest of the pilots) to believe. It is not true. Have you spoken with RM and gotten his side of the story?

 

[SkiFishFly]

Does anyone have a shred of evidence that the company said or even alluded that if we passed TA whatever that the comapny would re-hire our two "hostages". No, I didn't think so.

Again, tell me what makes A person so important that gains and progress for a huge group is held up? Pretty arrogant if you ask me.

RV

WHAT GAINS????
The side LOAs since I have been here have been nothing but a loss for the pilot group!
That is why we now have memrat!

 

[labatt]

Rich,

You don't leave a brother behind! Peroid!! You never give the company an LOA, much less a new contract with two pilots on the street.

I just boggles my mind that some of our pilots could consider signing a new contract and leave two guys behind.

 

[Lear70]

No I didn't listen to the call I was working.

Too bad, you missed what a REAL union does for their pilots when one gets singled out.

I completely disagree with the mindset that all pilots must suffer if a few suffer. I'll even go a bit further and say that I believe its selfish for one to hold up gains that may be made for the overall group.

"Suffer" is not what we're talking about. We're talking about not giving the company relief somewhere when there's pilots being hosed by the company. If you disagree with that, then you disagree with every other major pilot union out there. The solving of grievances BEFORE any Agreement, including a T.A., is ratified, is standard operating procedure.

What you're talking about is called "throwing someone under the bus" for the gain of the pilot group and is EXACTLY why no one wants to stand up for themselves. Guys like you will disregard their sacrifices and keep right on going.

Sorry about your particular instance, but technically you were caught pseudo-defrauding the company of sick time. You might not like hearing that but as I see it, that is what happened, technically.

RV

So you're a medical doctor now as well as a pilot and an attorney and judge to boot? Wow, I'm impressed.

Good thing the REAL doctors, attorneys, and judges don't agree with you, or I'd be seriously in trouble.

Does anyone have a shred of evidence that the company said or even alluded that if we passed TA whatever that the comapny would re-hire our two "hostages". No, I didn't think so.

Ummm, say again?

No one said anything of the kind. There hasn't BEEN a T.A. offer since I was terminated. Not sure what you're referring to here at all...?

Thanks again for the support of the vast majority of the AirTran pilots who understand what real "brotherhood" is. Look forward to sharing a frosty beverage with you guys when I'm back on the line. :beer:

 

[labatt]

Lear,

Thanks again for all the sacrifices you have made. Can't wait to see you and Don back on the line soon. If it were up to me you'd never have to buy a beer or dinner again.

 

[Clyde Frog]

Twepilot is truly clueless as to what it means to be a union member. This type of mentality is detrimental to the group.

 

[twepilot]

yawn.....

RV

 

[K-Mart]

Weren't you listening on the Southwest conference call? I asked the SWAPA president what THEY do when the company does something like this (very rare). His answer was:

"Everything. You make it public. You make it ugly. You do WHATEVER it takes, and let the chips fall where they may".

Sorry but that is so far from the truth it ain't even funny.

We had two recent terminations and the union is being sued by one of them for "NOT DOING THERE JOB TO DEFEND THE INDIVIDUAL".

The other individual was payed off to leave.

The SWAPA president is full of it.

 

[Lear70]

Really... do tell.

I know the girl sued, but thought her getting her job back negated the suit for the most part.

Hadn't heard about the other, better have been a BIG payoff to leave a career at SWA... Would be very interested in hearing more.

 

[Murphy]

I voted for ALPA today. You can put lipstick on the NPA, but it will always be the NPA.

 

[DonVerita]

Again, tell me what makes A person so important that gains and progress for a huge group is held up?

RV

In one word..."Unity".

 

[CopilotDoug]

I voted for ALPA today. You can put lipstick on the NPA, but it will always be the NPA.

Hell of a thing to say about your fellow pilots. Call yourself ALPA...hell, call yourself the Keebler Elves...it's going to be the same pilot group at the end of the day.

 

[K-Mart]

Really... do tell.

I know the girl sued, but thought her getting her job back negated the suit for the most part.

Hadn't heard about the other, better have been a BIG payoff to leave a career at SWA... Would be very interested in hearing more.

Check your PM's.