Three questions about the Q-400 trim and deice system.

[Icywings]

I am stuipd,I guess... What parts you didn't like?

Ummmmm I don't know how about the first three paragraphs making it look like they violated the rules by flying with autopilot. The general public will take "guidelines" as a regulation and say they violated them by flying with autopilot on in icing.

 

[CRJ puppy]

Actually it sounded like a fairly balanced article based on the available knowledge at this time.

Perhaps it is time to unwind your panties and move on?

 

[Icywings]

Actually it sounded like a fairly balanced article based on the available knowledge at this time.

Perhaps it is time to unwind your panties and move on?

I don't know. Maybe I overreacted to it. I am sick as hell with the flu. Most people won't read past the first 5 paragraphs of an article like that.

 

[airplane wizard]

Maybe it was a split flap condition, and the ice had nothing to do with it. It was dark and they were I think only 1500 agl. Little time for recovery from an upset.

 

[Icywings]

Maybe it was a split flap condition, and the ice had nothing to do with it. It was dark and they were I think only 1500 agl. Little time for recovery from an upset.

I thought of that but wouldn't the ntsb know that by now? My other thought was one engine involuntarily going into Beta. Then I thought the NTSB would know that already. Also neither explains the straight pitch up that happened. It should have rolled first I would think. I have read about two accidents in the Q400 where the engine went into Beta on its own. But I doubt that is the case here. Maybe the Q400 drivers can shed some light on this.

To me though it seems that the flaps coming down did something to the airflow to create a downward force on the horizontal stabilizer that was most likely full of ice for some reason. I say some reason cause the deice system must have been jacked.

The plane was also going very slow and should not have been that slow from what a few Q400 drivers have told me in private (yes people are trying to help me help the crew). So I wonder how much ice could have built up on the flaps or gears to add just enough weight to stall it. At that low airspeed it wouldn't take much more extra weight.

As many will now say to this..we shouldn't speculate and it will be in the NTSB report. Yea, we know...in a year!

 

[DX Rick]

10 pages and no one has come on here to offer you any help.
If you were an airline pilot, you'd understand that we're not supposed to speak to anyone when an accident occurs, whether we're the crew in question or not.
It doesn't matter that we're on some web board speaking behind screen name to hide our identities. We have the tact and understanding that there is a time and place for everything, and giving a guy like you any answers here on FI.com is not the time nor place.
You alone are not going to stop all the media outlets from reporting the crap they do. In the end, you are not the editor, and you don't give them the info that sells.
Just stop. Maybe one of the mods could lock this thread to stop this internet whooping you are taking.

 

[Icywings]

10 pages and no one has come on here to offer you any help.
If you were an airline pilot, you'd understand that we're not supposed to speak to anyone when an accident occurs, whether we're the crew in question or not.
It doesn't matter that we're on some web board speaking behind screen name to hide our identities. We have the tact and understanding that there is a time and place for everything, and giving a guy like you any answers here on FI.com is not the time nor place.
You alone are not going to stop all the media outlets from reporting the crap they do. In the end, you are not the editor, and you don't give them the info that sells.
Just stop. Maybe one of the mods could lock this thread to stop this internet whooping you are taking.

LOL actually you are very wrong. I have been talking to many people via PM that do want to help. They are not cowards. They know there is a problem and they are willing to Man-Up and do something about it. Maybe you could grow a pair and do the same? How do you know I can't change the media. You have NO idea who I am..lol For all you know I just might be able to do just that. Never slap a hand that is offering to help you!

 

[BirdCatcher]

LOL actually you are very wrong. I have been talking to many people via PM that do want to help. They are not cowards. They know there is a problem and they are willing to Man-Up and do something about it. Maybe you could grow a pair and do the same? How do you know I can't change the media. You have NO idea who I am..lol For all you know I just might be able to do just that. Never slap a hand that is offering to help you!

What problem? Your looking for a problem with the Q400, why not let the NTSB do that?

 

[DX Rick]

LOL actually you are very wrong. I have been talking to many people via PM that do want to help. They are not cowards. They know there is a problem and they are willing to Man-Up and do something about it. Maybe you could grow a pair and do the same? How do you know I can't change the media. You have NO idea who I am..lol For all you know I just might be able to do just that. Never slap a hand that is offering to help you!

Oh know, Icywings...the guy who paid for his job, threatened my Manhood!
Yeah, I'll get right on that PM to you and offer up information about the systems of an airplane I do not, nor have not flown.
I don't give a rats as... to who you are. I know for a fact you're no one special because people who actually use that line "You dont know who I am" are no one. If you were anyone special, you wouldnt take the time to respond to every single persons post on here.

 

[Icywings]

Oh know, Icywings...the guy who paid for his job, threatened my Manhood!
Yeah, I'll get right on that PM to you and offer up information about the systems of an airplane I do not, nor have not flown.
I don't give a rats as... to who you are. I know for a fact you're no one special because people who actually use that line "You dont know who I am" are no one. If you were anyone special, you wouldnt take the time to respond to every single persons post on here.

LOL ok! ha! ha! As I said before I am sick with the flu. So, I am just watching tv with the computer here and every time this board updates my iphone goes off and tells me I have email. I don't really care what you think of me. Really, I don't. So if you have no clue about the Q400 then why even comment? Why not just shut up and talk about whatever you fly or flew on the appropriate thread? Whatever, go ahead and be a hater. Oh and when i feel better which I hope is tomorrow you won't see much of me on here except to check my pm's from the people that are trying to help.

 

[Icywings]

BirdCatcher I sent you a PM. Thanks!

 

[B1900 Mech]

A little history lesson.http://www.airlinesafety.com/letters/atr.htm

 

[Blade Runner]

As I am typing this Shepard Smith just said the ntsb is focusing on the pilots action.

I know Shep and he will not be unfair to the crew members or anyone else for that matter. They are just updating the public on the progress of the investigation as relayed to them by the NTSB rep's.
This is going to take a while, hopefully we will all learn something from this that will make us all safer pilots.