Three questions about the Q-400 trim and deice system.

[BirdCatcher]

Here's an idea, howabout they read the stimulus package on the air all the way through, that'll kill some airtime instead of drawing conclusions from their "experts"

 

[kf4amu]

Thank you! The 767 does not have any audible indication but others do. I am trying to find out if the Dash 8 has one. Thank you for the reply though!

100/300 doesnt. The trim wheel just moves.

 

[Icywings]

Here's an idea, howabout they read the stimulus package on the air all the way through, that'll kill some airtime instead of drawing conclusions from their "experts"

LOL !

Unfortunately they can't just read the NTSB report. Every news cast only gives them enough time to basically give an outline of what was said. They pick and choose what parts to report. Then they have to translate it for the general public. THAT is where we get so many damn idiiots like the 300 hour CFI with no turbo-prop time to report their expert opinion.That is how the news works and no matter what we do it won't change. All we can do is give them the correct outline to report. So, THEY don't pick and choose but we guide them to choose the correct parts of the story. Yes, the pilots ARE going to be brought into this and that is because of the auto-pilot and the arm chair quarterbacks will always ask if they should have had it on when it was recommended not to by the ntsb. These are people that never fly and have no idea what they are talking about. I am trying to get into the ear of the producers to at least make it balanced at the very least.

 

[Icywings]

100/300 doesn't. The trim wheel just moves.

Okay thanks! So unless you are looking at the trim wheel you would have no idea the autopilot was moving the trim?

 

[ehaecker]

Okay thanks! So unless you are looking at the trim wheel you would have no idea the autopilot was moving the trim?

I think you would hear the trim wheel. I remember from my jumpseat experiences on the 737 that the trim wheel made plenty of noise while in motion. I can only assume the 767 is the same.

 

[Icywings]

I think you would hear the trim wheel. I remember from my jumpseat experiences on the 737 that the trim wheel made plenty of noise while in motion. I can only assume the 767 is the same.

Yea the 737 does make noise so the pilots know it is in motion. The 767 doesn't make a sound I am told from a 767 captain. I am curious to know the Q400 makes any audible sound or not.

 

[JetSpeed219]

It makes a very light clicking sound that you can only hear if you are really listening for it.

 

[Icywings]

It makes a very light clicking sound that you can only hear if you are really listening for it.

Great, so if autopilot was engaged, the plane took on ice and kept the trim wheel moving to compensate that would be pretty obvious to the crew right? Because common sense tells me if the trim was going more so then normal the crew would notice it and wonder why. However, if the click wasn't working the crew would have little knowledge of what was happening. I wonder if the click is something that can fail or if it is a mechanical device.

Your a Q400 pilot what is the media getting wrong about a possible cause. I know we all need to find out what the final NTSB report says but in the meantime is there anything you can give me to divert this from pilot error? I hate seeing them being hung out to dry like this.

Have you had the same deice disconnect that I have heard from others?

 

[anon]

Icywings,

You obviously have no idea of what you are speaking about. I sincerely believe you are trying to pawn yourself off to some news department as an aviation expert.

The only facts are those provided by the NTSB. That's it.

I've always wondered how they found these aviation "experts" to interview. From your posts, I believe you're the one approaching them. Are you trying to compensate for your own lack of experience or what.

Please let the NTSB do their job and let these people rest in peace.

 

[DX Rick]

Your a Q400 pilot what is the media getting wrong about a possible cause. I know we all need to find out what the final NTSB report says but in the meantime is there anything you can give me to divert this from pilot error? I hate seeing them being hung out to dry like this.

Have you had the same deice disconnect that I have heard from others?

What has everyone else here been telling you? Tell your friend to read the NTSB report, thats it.
Now you're here asking a pilot to give his OPINIONS!
Are you slow? did you lick the windows on the short bus?
The medias "aviation experts" are a joke in itself. Are you trying to one up those guys? Are you trying to replace one of them?
You wonder why no one wants to answer you.

 

[Icywings]

It amazes me how ignorant you people are. I don't and wouldn't pawn myself off to anyone. You know the more I put up with this crap the more I think pilots deserve the bad press we get. I have never ran into a group of people so frigging stupid to get in their own way. Someone comes on here to offer to get info to get some stuff straight and instead they get ridicule. No wonder there aren't good spokesman for aviation if most of them think like you guys there never will be. I swear if I wasn't a pilot and didn't want to help these two damn pilots from being hung out to dry I would tell you to lay in the bed of crap you have made for yourselves. I have not flown for a 135 in a long time so maybe my alliance with the brother/sisterhood doesn't show as strongly for you. I sure hope nothing ever happens to me in an airplane because I now know the one group of people I would count on to back me up will just whine, complain and hide behind their keyboards and not do a damn thing about it. Oh poor pilots cause the media is so unfair. THEY ARE but you don't have the spine to stand up to them so you take it like a little abused girl. absolutely Pathetic! I am embarrassed to be a pilot and have any association with you most of you. Thanks soooooo much for the help. I am sure the families of the fallen think you are just a stellar group of people on this board. Some of you say you're their friends. Friends DON'T let friends take the fall for something they may not have had anything to do with. Do you honestly think if I was the damn media, reporter, aviation expert, or whatever label you choose that I would fight so damn hard to get the truth? Lay in it..you made it!

 

[Icywings]

What has everyone else here been telling you? Tell your friend to read the NTSB report, thats it.
Now you're here asking a pilot to give his OPINIONS!
Are you slow? did you lick the windows on the short bus?
The medias "aviation experts" are a joke in itself. Are you trying to one up those guys? Are you trying to replace one of them?
You wonder why no one wants to answer you.

I have been told that the deice has been known to shut off in low rpm during the approach phase. Not just when the airplane is slow though but when it gets put into the landing configuration. A light will come on and most of the time when you add power the light goes out but sometimes it doesn't' and the deice system is deactivated and has to be reset on to work making it confusion to the crew. Adding power fixes it enough that the automatic response to the light is the same but sometimes it is more than that. The light warning doesn't mean anything as the same light comes on when the deice system is actually failed or when the rpm is low enough that the bleed pressure is to low to blow the boots.

 

[flynryan15]

. I have never ran into a group of people so frigging stupid to get in their own way.

Welcome to flightinfo!!! :beer:

 

[Icywings]

Welcome to flightinfo!!! :beer:

Sorry if I went off too much but you have no idea how much crap I am getting just trying to do the right thing. I have honestly never gotten so much crap for anything before. The funny thing is I am getting all this crap and this has nothing to do with me. I get nothing in return and don't want anything in return and wouldn't accept anything in return. Yet, I am being treated like I am trying to sell post crash photos. Amazing!

 

[flynryan15]

Sorry if I went off too much but you have no idea how much crap I am getting just trying to do the right thing. I have honestly never gotten so much crap for anything before. The funny thing is I am getting all this crap and this has nothing to do with me. I get nothing in return and don't want anything in return and wouldn't accept anything in return. Yet, I am being treated like I am trying to sell post crash photos. Amazing!

No offense but a internet message board is a really bad place to look for facts to educate the ignorant media.

 

[DX Rick]

It amazes me how ignorant you people are. I don't and wouldn't pawn myself off to anyone. You know the more I put up with this crap the more I think pilots deserve the bad press we get. I have never ran into a group of people so frigging stupid to get in their own way. Someone comes on here to offer to get info to get some stuff straight and instead they get ridicule. No wonder there aren't good spokesman for aviation if most of them think like you guys there never will be. I swear if I wasn't a pilot and didn't want to help these two damn pilots from being hung out to dry I would tell you to lay in the bed of crap you have made for yourselves. I have not flown for a 135 in a long time so maybe my alliance with the brother/sisterhood doesn't show as strongly for you. I sure hope nothing ever happens to me in an airplane because I now know the one group of people I would count on to back me up will just whine, complain and hide behind their keyboards and not do a damn thing about it. Oh poor pilots cause the media is so unfair. THEY ARE but you don't have the spine to stand up to them so ......

All Hail Icywings!
He saved the aviation world from the media, and it all started right here on FI.com.

You want to learn the systems of the 400, go to FlightSafety and pay for it yourself.

 

[flynryan15]

All Hail Icywings!
He saved the aviation world from the media, and it all started right here on FI.com.

You want to learn the systems of the 400, go to FlightSafety and pay for it yourself.

DxRick you better play nice or they are going to send you to time out again :laugh:

 

[Icywings]

No offense but a internet message board is a really bad place to look for facts to educate the ignorant media.

True! I was trying to get a few Q400 guys to explain a few things. I guess that was my mistake.. You should see the crap I am getting on airlinepilotforums.com It is almost laughable at this point. Funny thing is when I was flying the metro always eyed RJ and looked forward to one day maybe flying it. That never happened but such as life..lol

 

[flynryan15]

Funny thing is when I was flying the metro always eyed RJ and looked forward to one day maybe flying it. That never happened but such as life..lol

Good Old SJS Syndrome!

 

[Icywings]

All Hail Icywings!
He saved the aviation world from the media, and it all started right here on FI.com.

You want to learn the systems of the 400, go to FlightSafety and pay for it yourself.

LOL you are the big bad airline pilot are you gonna to pay for it..lol