NWA/DAL Arbitration hearing

[Cobraair75drvr]

Whats his name?

Not the Fed in ATL I am married to eh!

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Yeah, we had a whole different manual set a few years ago. While there are some elements of the Boeing books that I like, overall I think I liked the older DAL manuals better. I wish we would go to the NWA books, though I suspect it will be Boeing (Airbus).

Yeah unfortunately the decision has already been made. The NWA guys are gonna get a series of revisions over the next year converting them to our system.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Yep, we are going the Delta way. Plane, Path, Pilot.

 

[Fly4hire]

Can you guys get all your manuals in PDF format from your Flight Ops web site? We have the option of electronic versions for all our aircraft operating manuals (still have to have paper in the flight deck). Revision = download the latest version. I suppose at DAL you have to pick the cotton to make the paper to print your own....

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

everything is available pdf on the website.

 

[800Dog]

Whats his name?

Its name is Pat!

 

[Fly4hire]

everything is available pdf on the website.

Thanks! Do they allow PDF in lieu of paper docs for required issue (except required flight deck manuals)?

 

[General Lee]

Heyas Cobra,

Right you are. RA's problem is that, barring some kind of novel mechanism, there ARE going to be some kind of fences, and by the looks of direction that the arbitration is going, fairly tall ones.

This is exactly what he didn't want. Mind you, the arbitrators are under ZERO obligation to the company, only to the parties directly involved, and they have said that their goal will be to find the solutions that the most people will find acceptable.

What RA does with this is anyone's guess. He can nuke the whole thing, saying it "costs too much", but that treds into unchartered legal waters not to mention throwing a carefully crafted deal into chaos. He can park aircraft that are fenced, but that only raises the "replacement aircraft" spectre, with subsequent arbitrations (this gets expensive for the company REAL quick).

I will grant that the mechanics of a dynamic list is full of details. But we have smart guys working on the problem, and they can be ironed out with a solid methodology. Once that is done, the boils down to pressing a button once, twice or 12 times a year to produce a list. With DALs "once a year" AE system, it should hardly be time consuming.

Nu

Your A320 FO on the stand was "blown away" by our lawyer, finally admitting that attrition has NEVER been a part of ANY seniority list integration, ever. He told him to stop making speeches, and just answer the question. Classic. Dynamic lists just don't work, and we have more retirements eventually than you do.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Thanks! Do they allow PDF in lieu of paper docs for required issue (except required flight deck manuals)?

No one ever really mentions that.. the FO only has to carry the OM1 (your equivalent of sopa/smac plus supplementals), and the CA only has to carry the FOM.

I think everyone keeps up their paper manuals though. The only version of the PWA that I carry is on my computer.

 

[jonjuan]

Your A320 FO on the stand was "blown away" by our lawyer, finally admitting that attrition has NEVER been a part of ANY seniority list integration, ever.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Not to mention that with the recent loss of $30 trilion in wealth with the stock market equity drop, you can bet that the majority of those who were planning to retire at 60 will now keep flying.