Sure UAL IS MY ULTIMATE GOAL. How did you know I need to build so more time? Your sooo smart. You must be old here right? I get paid to do a job and I have my limits like we all should.
So sitting in an overcrowded fbo,is rest huh? Maybe on your next overnight give up your room and stay at the fbo, we will save tons of money and you will get plenty of rest.
Tell ya what, maybe we should change the regs so that if we have a recliner, tv, internet, cookies, popcorn, and a shower it shouldn't even be considered duty. how does that sound? We could be in conutious rest at any fbo they would never have to sale a trip off ever.
Look guys I had 6 days of sitting standby almost 12 hours a day. Was I fatigued? No. Was I going insane? YEs!
Let me ask you this is there a limit? They could sit us standby for 14 hours a day for 7 days right? Is it right to call in fatigued because your tired of doing standby but not physically fatigued? Where is your limit?
Do you even have one? Kept jumping down my throat guys guess I like it, cause I kept coming back for more.
Now you're just being silly. Nobody suggested we volunteer to give up hotel standby when we have it. Nobody said that being in a very comfortably equipped FBO means it shouldn't be considered duty.
I am curious though, what fleet are you in? Maybe by switching fleets you'd have less FBO standby time. We actually don't do much of it in the X.
The funny thing is, we have people who fly 5 legs a day, and constantly put in 12 hour days for the entire tour and are complaining they're getting worked too hard. In fact, I believe the word 'abuse' has come up in relation to this situation also.
So if the company makes you sit at an FBO routinely they're abusing you. And if they make you fly a lot they're abusing you. There are definitely days where I read all this and am glad I'm not in management or union leadership trying to make the pilots happy.
But I'm nothing if not a bit dense. I guess I'm just not seeing the problem. You told me before that you don't consider this job a vacation. That being the case, I still don't see what difference it makes where you sit. They DON'T own you, but you are paid to do a job. That job includes sitting standby, wherever they decide you'll sit. If you get tired, wherever you're sitting, fatigue. Just because you can't go swimming or get a suntan doesn't mean you're being abused.
As for your comments about what is fatigue, well, fatigue can certainly be physical. But it's also mental. Look, if I just had 10 hours of sleep, am well fed, and haven't been working too hard, my body will probably be ready for 14 hours of sitting if need be. But what if I get a call from home saying a water line broke and flooded my house? Or that something terrible has happened to a loved one? My body is still fresh, but my mind will definitely not be focused on flying if they want me to go. That's mental fatigue, and is just as bad as physical fatigue. So yes, KMAN, if you're physically fine but mentally out of it from a long sit at the FBO then it's still a legitimate fatigue call.
And I repeat, I like the numbers matrix, if it exists. As long as it looks, on paper, like we're doing something then no one is going to want to trim the ranks. Even if scheduling doesn't mean to, they may be doing us a favor.
SAY AGAIN, Netjet's isn't God's gift to aviation. I am!!
Seriously though, I'd be willing to bet you'd have a hard time finding a job, in flying, that's a whole lot better out there. There are a few, I'm sure, but not many. Look at the complaints on all these threads: crewfood, too much sitting, our hiring dept., etc....I guess it's a pretty good job when this is all we have to be upset about. Some folks on this board are overly proud, even arrogant, about Netjets. I'll give you that. I get tired of reading some of it too. But isn't it good to know there are some truly happy people out there with a job in aviation? It certainly beats reading about the furloughs and such.
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