The odd number atlantic buck..stingy captains it is more common than you thought

[willNOTfly4free]

I split the rewards evenly, or if there is an odd number, the odd goes to the FO. But I am married and all of my FO's are not. Even though I make more money it is completely taken up by supporting my wife and kids, the FO's have much more disposable income than I do.

I sure hope you're joking; otherwise you are real piece of work.

Since when is it right to judge a pilot's financial situation based on marital status?

 

[glasspilot]

Glasspilot,

First of all, the decision of the amount of the required fuel uplift is made by the dispatcher at NJA. The PIC may discuss additional uplift with the dispatcher; however, it is a joint responsibility. Should we share the points with the dispatcher?!

Secondly, please remember that the crew as a whole makes or breaks the operation. Neither the PIC, nor, the SIC is allowed to operate the aircraft by her/himself!

Therefore and in case an owner decides that the operation and the service rendered is worthy of an additional tip, said tip should go to the whole crew. Afterall, the whole crew ensured the safe and successful completion of the flight.

Thirdly, please keep in mind that under the NJA CBA all pilots are entitled equally to loyalty benefits. Nowhere does it mention that the PIC is entitled to more or less benefits then the SIC. It is purely the result of the logistics in place at NJA that the PIC ends up administrating the fuel payment process and therefore the royalty benefits. It is a fairly common occurrence in my experience in which the SIC ends up doing said task instead.

IDEtoNJA

Dispatch decides uplift at NJA? Fine, not at my company. PIC not allowed to operate the aircraft by himself? Fine, not at my company. NJA CBA requires equal benefits to all loyalty programs? Fine, not at my company.

Look, we don't all work for NJA. My posts are not anti-sharing. They're anti-whining. This is the second thread on the subject of Captains not sharing. Fine, Captains should share. But if a guy doesn't then what are you going to do? Log on to some public forum and whine about it? Whatever. Everyone should share. Some don't and complaining on this forum isn't going to change it.

Every Captain I flew with shared. I share and even give the odd one away. I just take issue with people who feel slighted on the line and then come here anonymously and bitch the place down. Have a pair and speak up on the road face to face. Don't come here and whine about your mean Captain when he can't defend himself. Maybe you've ticked him off all week and deserve what you got...nothing. That's all.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I could care less about an Atlantic Buck or an Avtrip point. Its the big tips getting pocketed by FAs that pi$$es me off... There are a few at NJA that have quick those quick fingers.

 

[bailout]

I said I do split the Atlantic bucks and points.

It's not like the captains OWE you. If they keep them for themselves then they're a right bastard, but they not exactly breaking the law are they?

OK, not really aimed at you, since you say you split, but I think you're missing the point.

Do you even work at a Frac? This is CREW environment.

You act like it's the Cpts benefits.
Why do you think its the Captain's to split?

Thats the point. Its NOT.. Its the CREWS, which is BOTH pilots. As far as the extra ticket, thats just a common respect/courtesy, just like the Cpt buying dinner one night on tour. But you probably dont do that either.

 

[brokeflyer]

i give them ALL to whatever flight crew DONT work for NJA......they need all the help they can get.

 

[2dumb2drive]

look what's going on at flops...and you are going to whine about this? wonder why people think that no matter what a pilot has and how easy his job is, he will just want to do less and be paid more. freaking idiots, I want my Atlantic buck, whahhhh

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

The FBO offer those incentives to get pilots to buy gas. Guess who makes the fuel purchase decesions. That owner gave that money to the Captain. There is no legal obligation to split it with you.

Wow, sounds like someone needs to get off their high horse. I was a Captain at my last three jobs and I never had this attitude. If the AFM says two pilots are required then quite simply it is not just the Captain's perks/money. Remember, you may be the PIC and have the final say so, but you are still part of a crew and in my opinion DO have the obligation to at least split perks/tips with your FOs. By the way, anybody ever noticed how many primadonnas refer to themselves as "Captains" and refer to their First Officers with the more diminutive term "co-pilot". Just another way of these guys making themselves feel superior. Thank goodness not all Captains are like this. Also guys, don't forget where you came from. You did not pop out of your mama with 4 stripes on your shoulder. You were all FO's at some point and might feel differently if you still were. Funny how quickly perspectives change.

 

[Ultra Grump]

wonder why people think that no matter what a pilot has and how easy his job is, he will just want to do less and be paid more.

So you want to work more and be paid less? You must be at Mesa.

 

[glasspilot]

Wow, sounds like someone needs to get off their high horse. I was a Captain at my last three jobs and I never had this attitude. If the AFM says two pilots are required then quite simply it is not just the Captain's perks/money. Remember, you may be the PIC and have the final say so, but you are still part of a crew and in my opinion DO have the obligation to at least split perks/tips with your FOs. By the way, anybody ever noticed how many primadonnas refer to themselves as "Captains" and refer to their First Officers with the more diminutive term "co-pilot". Just another way of these guys making themselves feel superior. Thank goodness not all Captains are like this. Also guys, don't forget where you came from. You did not pop out of your mama with 4 stripes on your shoulder. You were all FO's at some point and might feel differently if you still were. Funny how quickly perspectives change.

Nice job editing out all of my posts where I said I share the points. Saying any Captain who didn't was a jerk. Stating specifically that I'm not anti-sharing, I'm anti-whining over stupid stuff.

I'm really over this topic. Like someone else said, there are real problems out there. I'm off to find my "high horse" now. Fly Safe.

 

[Floyd94]

How 'bout splitting tips? You think these guys are splitting the tips "down the middle"? hmmm..

 

[Helmsalee]

The good one do and the others will probably never change.

 

[netjetwife]

This thread is discussing issues that deal with respect and fairness toward a fellow crew member. Comparing notes about CRM is not whining. It's helpful to learn customary practices at your company and in the industry at large. My husband splits everything evenly or gives the FO an extra share. He also buys dinner for his FO during the tour, just as Bailout said Captains often do. I'm glad to hear that's the norm at NJA. I knew about splitting the Atlantic bucks and tips, but didn't know it was common for Captains to buy a dinner for the FO. Nice gesture, well deserved.

For those complaining about the topic, I wonder why you're reading it then, much less posting... I'd also like to point out that NJ pilots are well aware of what has happened to the Options pilots. A fund has been set up for them and donations are showing up. Posting here doesn't mean that a pilot is unappreciative of what s/he has or is unsupportive of those facing a tough time. Thanks to those who donated to the NJASAP-FLOPS Solidarity Fund. I think the show of moral support will mean just as much as the money being sent to those who were fired for a bogus reason. NJW

 

[C425Driver]

The good one do and the others will probably never change.

Well said. I think the vast majority of the Captains out there split the rewards evenly and give the odd number to the FO's. Also, if I'm on an OT day I give all the rewards to my FO's. Unfortunately, the very few who don't play nice are the ones who stand out for being the selfish people that they are and drive threads like this.

 

[acaTerry]

PIC not allowed to operate the aircraft by himself? Not at my company

I think this is where the Captain Superiority Complex roots itself.

 

[Flex-ible]

I split the rewards evenly, or if there is an odd number, the odd goes to the FO. But I am married and all of my FO's are not. Even though I make more money it is completely taken up by supporting my wife and kids, the FO's have much more disposable income than I do.

I am an F/O with three kids - one in a $40,000 a year college. Use of the word "all" is often inappropriate.

I feel very comfortable with the relationship between captains and F/O's at our company. As you may know we at Flex don't get to order our meals as NJA does. I have met only one captain who chose first - and he explained that he had food allergies to deal with. If neither meal had anything he could not eat, I got the choice. That means more to me than the extra Atlantic buck.

P.S. I am happy with a split.