The odd number atlantic buck..stingy captains it is more common than you thought

[av8tor4239]

Happened again the other day where the captain kept the odd number atlantic buck... WTF is up with this place.. heading to an atlantic today.. we will see what happens... I will keep you posted

PIC's take care of your FO's... WTF

 

[luvu]

It is quite shocking.

I posted before and I will post again. I am a Captain. All fuel reward points or gift items go to the FO on my flights. Every single Captain I ever flew with did the same. All Captains that I know personally would not ever dream of not letting the FO have all the points. I am sorry to hear that what I thought was the norm has been abaondoned at some of the larger outfits so the younger folk are left wondering about the odd reward ticket.

Another poster said earlier, "The Captain makes tens of thousands of dollars more a year" how could he keep reward points that use to be used among crewmates as the Captain's way of equalizing things. It made for a stronger crew and crew spirit.

 

[stupidpilot]

I split the rewards evenly, or if there is an odd number, the odd goes to the FO. But I am married and all of my FO's are not. Even though I make more money it is completely taken up by supporting my wife and kids, the FO's have much more disposable income than I do.

 

[Sparse]

I split the rewards evenly, or if there is an odd number, the odd goes to the FO. But I am married and all of my FO's are not. Even though I make more money it is completely taken up by supporting my wife and kids, the FO's have much more disposable income than I do.

Oh how it is so easy to spend someone elses money. Having a wife and kids are lifestyle decisions. Don't whine because you have them, thank God that you do. As for me, the odd one will always go to the FO and hopefully they will do the same when they upgrade.

 

[Flying Illini]

If you have an odd number on your next trip and he wants to keep it, remind him that he kept the last one.

Let us know what he does when you call him on it!

 

[brokeflyer]

i just throw them all away......then there is no problem with splittin them.....lol

 

[Gator1999]

Happened again the other day where the captain kept the odd number atlantic buck... WTF is up with this place.. heading to an atlantic today.. we will see what happens... I will keep you posted

PIC's take care of your FO's... WTF

Get your AvTrip receipts also...sounds like the guy you are flying with is gonna screw you on those points also.

I think that's its fair to split the rewards evenly with the odd ticket going to the FO. I believe it's fair to split them evenly because it's a perk of the job and we are all entitled to perks, regardless of position, salary or seniority. However, I don't believe that it's fair to split them based on the fact that the FO has more disposable income than me because I have a wife and kids. Those are personal choices and regardless of what choices you made in your life, you are not entitled to anything more than anyone else.

 

[windycty]

after a trip last week the owner gave the captain a tip upon the completion of the flight. i was in the back unloading bags and didn't see the owner give the tip. after cleaning up the plane without his help(yeah big shocker, i know) i went inside and began to eat next to him. the ramper then came in and asked if we got tipped the same amount as him($100). at this point the captain says, "uh..yeah. i was just getting ready to get change". the problem was that the tip came with two $50 bills. he wasn't going to share it with me until he got caught. what an a hole.

 

[glasspilot]

Hey, here's a shocker: You're not ENTITLED to Atlantic Bucks, AvTrip points or even that $100 tip.

I split it all with my crew. I'm not suggesting Captains don't. But you all sound like you expect it. Why can't you be happy the 98% of the times when you do get half?

The FBO offer those incentives to get pilots to buy gas. Guess who makes the fuel purchase decesions. That owner gave that money to the Captain. There is no legal obligation to split it with you.

I'm really not saying Captains should keep the points / tips to themselves. I never would. I'm just saying stop whinning like a baby cause you didn't get what you think you deserve.

 

[flyipilot]

Happened again the other day where the captain kept the odd number atlantic buck... WTF is up with this place.. heading to an atlantic today.. we will see what happens... I will keep you posted

PIC's take care of your FO's... WTF

ok..I hate to be the odd man on this thing but, who really cares who gets the "odd" atlantic buck. Yes, a Captain makes a lot more than an FO but, come on....an FO makes a great payday here as well. SO, lets not fight about $5.00. Who cares. I think they should be split and when I go and pick up the bucks form the office (I am an FO), I always give the extra buck to the CA. I hope the other guy does the return but, if he doesn't...so be it. Life is too short and is it worth the stress over a dumb $5.00. I do not think it is fair for a CA to dish out all the bucks to his FO..just do not think that is fair. I make a great salary here and I do not see Atlantic Bucks as a part of my pay. If you are that destitute, go get a part time job.

 

[CFIcare]

Well at my company we are all captains and we swap seats/legs. What to do about the odd number Atlantic Bucks?

The professional, mature thing of course.

Paper, scissors, rock.

The counter girls giggle at us, but hey fair is fair.

 

[bailout]

Why do you think the Cpts are entitled to them and not the F/Os?

Uh, first of all, you are a CREW. Cpts dont make FBO choices, the company does, and the owner gave the money to the CPT, because he was the point of contact, not because he did a good job, and the F/O didnt.

Point is, you are a CREW. Things should be split, with the odd one going to the F/O,,, PERIOD.

Thats just the way it is.

Hey, here's a shocker: You're not ENTITLED to Atlantic Bucks, AvTrip points or even that $100 tip.

I split it all with my crew. I'm not suggesting Captains don't. But you all sound like you expect it. Why can't you be happy the 98% of the times when you do get half?

The FBO offer those incentives to get pilots to buy gas. Guess who makes the fuel purchase decesions. That owner gave that money to the Captain. There is no legal obligation to split it with you.

I'm really not saying Captains should keep the points / tips to themselves. I never would. I'm just saying stop whinning like a baby cause you didn't get what you think you deserve.

 

[xpdriver]

after a trip last week the owner gave the captain a tip upon the completion of the flight. i was in the back unloading bags and didn't see the owner give the tip. after cleaning up the plane without his help(yeah big shocker, i know) i went inside and began to eat next to him. the ramper then came in and asked if we got tipped the same amount as him($100). at this point the captain says, "uh..yeah. i was just getting ready to get change". the problem was that the tip came with two $50 bills. he wasn't going to share it with me until he got caught. what an a hole.

if this guy is NJA put his name on the message board and it WILL NOT HAPPEN again..embarrassed the sh&t out of him...

 

[glasspilot]

Why do you think the Cpts are entitled to them and not the F/Os?

Uh, first of all, you are a CREW. Cpts dont make FBO choices, the company does, and the owner gave the money to the CPT, because he was the point of contact, not because he did a good job, and the F/O didn't.

Point is, you are a CREW. Things should be split, with the odd one going to the F/O,,, PERIOD.

That's just the way it is.

I said I do split the Atlantic bucks and points.

Yeah, the company makes the FBO choices. But the Captain decides HOW MUCH TO BUY.

Do you think all those pilot perks like quiet rooms, coffee machines and theater seating with a wide screen TV appear to make the company happy?
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I share the points and bucks and whatever. I give the odd one to the FO. My only point here is for you and every other pilot like you to stop whining that you don't get your half every single time. It's not like the captains OWE you. If they keep them for themselves then they're a right bastard, but they not exactly breaking the law are they?

Just stop crying on a public forum cause you lost out on $5.00. Even if you were a Mesa FO making $16,128 a year that $5.00 works our to just over 3 hundredths of one percent of your pay. Relax and be happy when you get your perks...like 99% of the time.

 

[IDEtoNJA]

I said I do split the Atlantic bucks and points.

Yeah, the company makes the FBO choices. But the Captain decides HOW MUCH TO BUY.

Do you think all those pilot perks like quiet rooms, coffee machines and theater seating with a wide screen TV appear to make the company happy?
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I share the points and bucks and whatever. I give the odd one to the FO. My only point here is for you and every other pilot like you to stop whining that you don't get your half every single time. It's not like the captains OWE you. If they keep them for themselves then they're a right bastard, but they not exactly breaking the law are they?

Just stop crying on a public forum cause you lost out on $5.00. Even if you were a Mesa FO making $16,128 a year that $5.00 works our to just over 3 hundredths of one percent of your pay. Relax and be happy when you get your perks...like 99% of the time.

Glasspilot,

First of all, the decision of the amount of the required fuel uplift is made by the dispatcher at NJA. The PIC may discuss additional uplift with the dispatcher; however, it is a joint responsibility. Should we share the points with the dispatcher?!

Secondly, please remember that the crew as a whole makes or breaks the operation. Neither the PIC, nor, the SIC is allowed to operate the aircraft by her/himself!

Therefore and in case an owner decides that the operation and the service rendered is worthy of an additional tip, said tip should go to the whole crew. Afterall, the whole crew ensured the safe and successful completion of the flight.

Thirdly, please keep in mind that under the NJA CBA all pilots are entitled equally to loyalty benefits. Nowhere does it mention that the PIC is entitled to more or less benefits then the SIC. It is purely the result of the logistics in place at NJA that the PIC ends up administrating the fuel payment process and therefore the royalty benefits. It is a fairly common occurrence in my experience in which the SIC ends up doing said task instead.

IDEtoNJA

 

[willNOTfly4free]

I split the rewards evenly, or if there is an odd number, the odd goes to the FO. But I am married and all of my FO's are not. Even though I make more money it is completely taken up by supporting my wife and kids, the FO's have much more disposable income than I do.

I sure hope you're joking; otherwise you are real piece of work.

Since when is it right to judge a pilot's financial situation based on marital status?

 

[glasspilot]

Glasspilot,

First of all, the decision of the amount of the required fuel uplift is made by the dispatcher at NJA. The PIC may discuss additional uplift with the dispatcher; however, it is a joint responsibility. Should we share the points with the dispatcher?!

Secondly, please remember that the crew as a whole makes or breaks the operation. Neither the PIC, nor, the SIC is allowed to operate the aircraft by her/himself!

Therefore and in case an owner decides that the operation and the service rendered is worthy of an additional tip, said tip should go to the whole crew. Afterall, the whole crew ensured the safe and successful completion of the flight.

Thirdly, please keep in mind that under the NJA CBA all pilots are entitled equally to loyalty benefits. Nowhere does it mention that the PIC is entitled to more or less benefits then the SIC. It is purely the result of the logistics in place at NJA that the PIC ends up administrating the fuel payment process and therefore the royalty benefits. It is a fairly common occurrence in my experience in which the SIC ends up doing said task instead.

IDEtoNJA

Dispatch decides uplift at NJA? Fine, not at my company. PIC not allowed to operate the aircraft by himself? Fine, not at my company. NJA CBA requires equal benefits to all loyalty programs? Fine, not at my company.

Look, we don't all work for NJA. My posts are not anti-sharing. They're anti-whining. This is the second thread on the subject of Captains not sharing. Fine, Captains should share. But if a guy doesn't then what are you going to do? Log on to some public forum and whine about it? Whatever. Everyone should share. Some don't and complaining on this forum isn't going to change it.

Every Captain I flew with shared. I share and even give the odd one away. I just take issue with people who feel slighted on the line and then come here anonymously and bitch the place down. Have a pair and speak up on the road face to face. Don't come here and whine about your mean Captain when he can't defend himself. Maybe you've ticked him off all week and deserve what you got...nothing. That's all.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I could care less about an Atlantic Buck or an Avtrip point. Its the big tips getting pocketed by FAs that pi$$es me off... There are a few at NJA that have quick those quick fingers.

 

[bailout]

I said I do split the Atlantic bucks and points.

It's not like the captains OWE you. If they keep them for themselves then they're a right bastard, but they not exactly breaking the law are they?

OK, not really aimed at you, since you say you split, but I think you're missing the point.

Do you even work at a Frac? This is CREW environment.

You act like it's the Cpts benefits.
Why do you think its the Captain's to split?

Thats the point. Its NOT.. Its the CREWS, which is BOTH pilots. As far as the extra ticket, thats just a common respect/courtesy, just like the Cpt buying dinner one night on tour. But you probably dont do that either.

 

[brokeflyer]

i give them ALL to whatever flight crew DONT work for NJA......they need all the help they can get.

 

[2dumb2drive]

look what's going on at flops...and you are going to whine about this? wonder why people think that no matter what a pilot has and how easy his job is, he will just want to do less and be paid more. freaking idiots, I want my Atlantic buck, whahhhh

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

The FBO offer those incentives to get pilots to buy gas. Guess who makes the fuel purchase decesions. That owner gave that money to the Captain. There is no legal obligation to split it with you.

Wow, sounds like someone needs to get off their high horse. I was a Captain at my last three jobs and I never had this attitude. If the AFM says two pilots are required then quite simply it is not just the Captain's perks/money. Remember, you may be the PIC and have the final say so, but you are still part of a crew and in my opinion DO have the obligation to at least split perks/tips with your FOs. By the way, anybody ever noticed how many primadonnas refer to themselves as "Captains" and refer to their First Officers with the more diminutive term "co-pilot". Just another way of these guys making themselves feel superior. Thank goodness not all Captains are like this. Also guys, don't forget where you came from. You did not pop out of your mama with 4 stripes on your shoulder. You were all FO's at some point and might feel differently if you still were. Funny how quickly perspectives change.

 

[Ultra Grump]

wonder why people think that no matter what a pilot has and how easy his job is, he will just want to do less and be paid more.

So you want to work more and be paid less? You must be at Mesa.

 

[glasspilot]

Wow, sounds like someone needs to get off their high horse. I was a Captain at my last three jobs and I never had this attitude. If the AFM says two pilots are required then quite simply it is not just the Captain's perks/money. Remember, you may be the PIC and have the final say so, but you are still part of a crew and in my opinion DO have the obligation to at least split perks/tips with your FOs. By the way, anybody ever noticed how many primadonnas refer to themselves as "Captains" and refer to their First Officers with the more diminutive term "co-pilot". Just another way of these guys making themselves feel superior. Thank goodness not all Captains are like this. Also guys, don't forget where you came from. You did not pop out of your mama with 4 stripes on your shoulder. You were all FO's at some point and might feel differently if you still were. Funny how quickly perspectives change.

Nice job editing out all of my posts where I said I share the points. Saying any Captain who didn't was a jerk. Stating specifically that I'm not anti-sharing, I'm anti-whining over stupid stuff.

I'm really over this topic. Like someone else said, there are real problems out there. I'm off to find my "high horse" now. Fly Safe.

 

[Floyd94]

How 'bout splitting tips? You think these guys are splitting the tips "down the middle"? hmmm..

 

[Helmsalee]

The good one do and the others will probably never change.

 

[netjetwife]

This thread is discussing issues that deal with respect and fairness toward a fellow crew member. Comparing notes about CRM is not whining. It's helpful to learn customary practices at your company and in the industry at large. My husband splits everything evenly or gives the FO an extra share. He also buys dinner for his FO during the tour, just as Bailout said Captains often do. I'm glad to hear that's the norm at NJA. I knew about splitting the Atlantic bucks and tips, but didn't know it was common for Captains to buy a dinner for the FO. Nice gesture, well deserved.

For those complaining about the topic, I wonder why you're reading it then, much less posting... I'd also like to point out that NJ pilots are well aware of what has happened to the Options pilots. A fund has been set up for them and donations are showing up. Posting here doesn't mean that a pilot is unappreciative of what s/he has or is unsupportive of those facing a tough time. Thanks to those who donated to the NJASAP-FLOPS Solidarity Fund. I think the show of moral support will mean just as much as the money being sent to those who were fired for a bogus reason. NJW

 

[C425Driver]

The good one do and the others will probably never change.

Well said. I think the vast majority of the Captains out there split the rewards evenly and give the odd number to the FO's. Also, if I'm on an OT day I give all the rewards to my FO's. Unfortunately, the very few who don't play nice are the ones who stand out for being the selfish people that they are and drive threads like this.

 

[acaTerry]

PIC not allowed to operate the aircraft by himself? Not at my company

I think this is where the Captain Superiority Complex roots itself.

 

[Flex-ible]

I split the rewards evenly, or if there is an odd number, the odd goes to the FO. But I am married and all of my FO's are not. Even though I make more money it is completely taken up by supporting my wife and kids, the FO's have much more disposable income than I do.

I am an F/O with three kids - one in a $40,000 a year college. Use of the word "all" is often inappropriate.

I feel very comfortable with the relationship between captains and F/O's at our company. As you may know we at Flex don't get to order our meals as NJA does. I have met only one captain who chose first - and he explained that he had food allergies to deal with. If neither meal had anything he could not eat, I got the choice. That means more to me than the extra Atlantic buck.

P.S. I am happy with a split.