IBT 1108 Attempts to take NJASAP funds

[netjetwife]

The fair-minded moderators have my support and appreciation. Personally, I think the new title is an improvement as it places the blame closer to where it belongs, instead of on the entire pilotgroup as your words tend to do. Transition Trouble would be my choice.

Furthermore, I was hoping this thread had ended. Everything of value has been said already and any more angry/emotional comments just runs the risk of straining the relationship between the two groups and providing fodder for the FUD mills of F&H. No reasonable person wants that.

With all due respect, gentlemen, could we please go back to discussing how to raise the bar in the fractional industry and provide pilots and their families with the QOL that matches their significant contribution to the industry? Thanks, NJW

 

[Captain Dork]

Whew, that reading was exhausting!

Just for your information...

The IBT takes trusteeship regularily from various locals. I remember when I was a truck driver, while flight instructing, the IBT magazine had five or more cases where the management of a local had got out of hand. The national took over and new leadership was elected or an investigation was begun.

I have often wondered about the truckdriver moniker being thrown around as an insult, that seems a bit caddy.

Also, slander of the Hoffa family seems pretty shallow. Keep in mind James Hoffa Sr. was likely killed because an attempt to rejoin as president the union after being pardoned from a prison sentence. James Jr. went to public school in NW Detroit at Isaac Crary, and Cooley HS,(with my mother) and Wayne State Law School.

These are real people. Their lifestyle in the fifties and early sixties was just slightly upper middle-class, like the engineers and small business people that lived around them. Not quite as colorful as the movie Hoffa.

If the majority of Netjetters want to go on their own, good luck and godspeed. I hope we at FO never do. I think being in a million person labor union is a good idea. Do Netjetters really know what all the national does with the legal department, with lobbying, with political donations.

I have always had the uncomfortable feeling that many pilots feel they are "special" and better than other transportation professionals. Not that I am misssing truckdriving, but if you are driving one of those fuel trucks, or a compressed air truck, your dues paid, are at the level of a PIC at ours.

I was actually pretty impressed by the level of resignation demonstrated by the national.

If a few in the top NJASAP leadership get out of hand, I hope you have a good workable plan to clean it up, of course there will be no "national."

Here's a good losely quoted statement from President Lincoln- "I have found I never have worry much about how a person will respond to having to face adversity, however I've seen often the disturbing moral shortcomings once they have been given power."

 

[gunfyter]

Seems IBT takes trusteeship whenever the national feels there is a serious move to De-Certify. ala Local 2000 and Local 938. Its like it used to be cancelling an AOL membership or cancelling a cable or satellite tv subscription. We want out and they try to force you to stay....

 

[CA1900]

The IBT takes trusteeship regularily from various locals... IBT magazine had five or more cases where the management of a local had got out of hand.

It doesn't strike you as a little disturbing that your local was taken from you before your leaders' first day in office?

I think being in a million person labor union is a good idea. Do Netjetters really know what all the national does with the legal department, with lobbying, with political donations.

We've been with Teamsters for a long time; you bet we know what the national does! We also know that their legal department offered us no support, and it's important that you folks keep counsel for the local. Depending on IBT in that vein would be a mistake, in my opinion.

As for political donations, they are in fact a huge point of contention with a large portion of our pilot group. Who's to say that a pilot group's interests don't run contrary to the other 999,0000 Teamsters' interests? The IBT's political support of GA User Fees was just one example.

My point is that membership in IBT has positives and negatives, and for our pilot group, it made sense to move on. That's a choice for each group to make; what works for us may or may not work for you.

If a few in the top NJASAP leadership get out of hand, I hope you have a good workable plan to clean it up, of course there will be no "national."

Indeed we do. We have procedures in place for recall of officers, if that ever became necessary.

On that note... The only thing I hope you guys take away from this is not to trust anyone blindly. Support your leadership and your union? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't ask questions, and demand transparency in the union. It's the only way you can make sure they're truly representing your interests. And remember, Local 1108 works for the pilots, not for the IBT. You are IBT's customer, and they work for you! Don't let those roles get reversed.

Good luck.

 

[CastofThousands]

I recall very well the IBT trying to force the NetJets Local 1108 leadership to Washington DC in September of 2005 to sign an IBT TA with NetJets for $75,000 a year for a 5th year Captain.

We told Hoffa Jr, DT, Moore, and NetJets to go have their own "dream $75,000 @ YR 5 Capt. orgy - no deal!"

1108 was in "new local trusteeship" per the IBT Constitution at the time. I caution the Flight Options [rank and file] pilots to know what's going on deep in the organization. It wouldn't surprise me if the same strong arm tactics are tried by the IBT again on the Flight Options pilots.

My greatest concern with what I know happened last week during the separation is that if the pilot union leadership doesn't control the organization and lead - the [rank and file] pilots will get screwed. The Flight Options leadership caved last week to Moore and Hoffa Jr - Don't allow it to happen again; specifically in bargaining or with your money.


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[netjetwife]

CA1900, good post! Guys, a fair contract will be the light at the end of the tunnel that makes the difficult journey worth it in the end. You'll also be stronger as a group for having come thru tough times together. Hang in there! Best Wishes! NJW

 

[NightHauler]

I don't want to slam the

Yet he finds it acceptable to start publishing, on a Public Website, financial numbers and membership percentages that if true, could seriously hurt the Flight Options Pilots Negotiating position with our Manangement.

Why would he do such a thing? I thought his Beef was with the National and these two Flight Options Leaders (who by the way, I view as Heroes in this process).

...The former Executive Board President of the 1108, INTENTIONALLY set out to harm the Flight Options Pilots by revealing this confidential information.

It should be obvious to all that he was placing his EGO ahead of the interests of the Flight Options Pilots.

This man's EGO seems to be larger than the Mountains around which he lives. And this EGO, is now harming the Flight Options Pilots. That is something I cannot stand by and watch.

I am a Hostage. I sacrificed my Job for this fight. I will not let this former Executive Board President come in here and attempt to harm my fellow Pilots and our Cause unchecked.

That is all.

Freedom is Not Free

I think your personal feelings for CastofThousands is blinding your ability to see the truth.

News Flash: Not $1 million dollars, nor $10 million will get you a better bargaining position at the table.

Money has nothing to do with it. As CastofThousands has already explained, when we went to bargain in 2005, we had less than what you have now, and operated out of a one room office.

We were able to get an industry leading contract for one reason: The Pilot Group.

When your pilot group becomes unified, then you will achieve the goals we all wish for you.

Unification can only come from good leadership.

 

[superfly]

I want criminal action!

Those two FLOPS guys need to be charged!

FLOPS guys need new leadership now!

 

[Ultra Grump]

The answer should be pretty obviously to anyone with half a brain. Either the NetJets Leadership was planning to transfer funds that they had no legal right to, into an NJASAP account, and our Leaderships actions stopped them, or what I hope is the case, this former E-Board President had his feelings hurt because the Flight Options Pilots Leaders, under the Direction of the National, went in and made a Preemptive Strike to assure the Resources which rightfully belonged to the remaining IBT 1108 Members (Flight Options Pilots) could not be raided at the 11th hour.

You are a fool. Good luck getting your job back, if you're going to rely on those 2 back-stabbers to do it for you. After what they've done to the NetJets pilot group, I wouldn't put anything past them, including selling you 70 down the river to complete the contract. Open your eyes.

"Heroes?" We shall see.

 

[netjetwife]

How about a full investigation first? There's no reason to skip due process or make this anymore difficult than it already is...

For all we know, they may already be planning to step down in the meantime (putting the good of the pilotgroup first) so that other less distracting leaders can take their place. That would allow the focus to remain on the contract negotiations where it needs to be right now. Hint, hint.