IBT 1108 Attempts to take NJASAP funds

[be-400xpdriver]

Wow. You're classy. Thanks for contributing.

You are welcome.

 

[GerryG]

The NJASAP and retiring NJA 1108 leadership PLEDGE continued support to the Flight Options pilots; financial and whatever else may be needed in the Flight Options pilot efforts.

Wow, thats super nice of you guys, helpen us out like that. After all you couldn't have timed the separation any better, what with us being in the end-game of bargaining right now and all.

But you know, I'm curious, is that why our message board went down in the middle of the night last night, you folks being supportive, "to all Flight Options pilots" and all?

But I guess a birds gotta leave the nest sometime, so thanks so much for that last little nudge. We won't forget it.

 

[Freedom]

My Final Post on this Subject:

As Options SLAVE stated:

"....anyone can see from reading this thread from start to finish, it is how the NJASAP leadership tried and failed to smear the FO MEC...."

To this Smear attempt, I have one final question:

Why? What is it they were attempting to deflect attention from? I can't wait until the IBT Attorney's dig through all this crap.

I smell a Rat alright, and it ain't the Options MEC nor the IBT National.

People don't get as defensive as these NetJets Pilots have unless they have something to hide.

Fortunately, the vast majority of the IBT 1108 assets are now secure.

Nice Job Mat and AJ.

And as for the IBT 1108 Message Board, I have it directly from Mat that our former "Brothers" over at NetJets are responsible for that. We will get another one up and running if need be, but this was nothing other than a childish act by those who are thinking with their Egos rather than their Brains. Real classy Gentlemen.

Enough said.

Freedom is Not Free

 

[CA1900]

But you know, I'm curious, is that why our message board went down in the middle of the night last night, you folks being supportive, "to all Flight Options pilots" and all?

We don't, and didn't, run your message board. Better check with your guys on that one.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

lmao, you sir are hoffa and moore's 'wet dream' of the perfect teamster.

obedient, subservient, unquestioning of your leadership and willing to rely on rumor instead of facts.

carry on.

Hmmm. Believe that if you wish. I seem to remember a picture of Bill Olson wearing a Teamsters shirt and personally seeing him and other NJASAP leaders endorsing Hoffa during the election. Hundreds of Net Jets pilots did. Sounds pretty "do as I say not as I do" to me. You guys are hypocrits, but that's fine, it's a free country.

I'm glad the Local's money is where it's supposed to be and hope that there comes to light no illegal activities on anyone's part regarding the Local's money. If there was any, it WILL be fleshed out, and the appropriate law suits and/or criminal charges would of course take place. Personally, I hope there are NO such findings, suits, or charges. We all should be brothers and standing together in this industry and this petty bickering over a check and bank accounts is just that - petty, in the long run. Carry on.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

We don't, and didn't, run your message board. Better check with your guys on that one.

No, but there were some, with logged IP addresses and (logged) root login access I might add, that had access to the server it was on. By the way - if that is proved, that someone was vindictive and decided to hack/crash the message board, that WOULD be a felony offense.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

. After all you couldn't have timed the separation any better, what with us being in the end-game of bargaining right now and all.

Yes it is a great time for the NJA pilots to leave IBT 1108. The FLOPS pilots are free to do what ever is needed to finish the game. Might I suggest flying "The PLEDGE".

 

[Options_SLAVE]

Yes it is a great time for the NJA pilots to leave IBT 1108.

Spoken like a true friend. The timing couldn't have been worse for the Options pilots, and there was no urgency, only greed, that motivated it.

 

[CastofThousands]

Hmmm. Believe that if you wish. I seem to remember a picture of Bill Olson wearing a Teamsters shirt and personally seeing him and other NJASAP leaders endorsing Hoffa during the election. Hundreds of Net Jets pilots did. Sounds pretty "do as I say not as I do" to me. You guys are hypocrits, but that's fine, it's a free country.

I'm glad the Local's money is where it's supposed to be and hope that there comes to light no illegal activities on anyone's part regarding the Local's money. If there was any, it WILL be fleshed out, and the appropriate law suits and/or criminal charges would of course take place. Personally, I hope there are NO such findings, suits, or charges. We all should be brothers and standing together in this industry and this petty bickering over a check and bank accounts is just that - petty, in the long run. Carry on.

Hoffa and the Teamsters have failed the piloting profession in more ways than many will ever know. Hoffa was given an opportunity to turn things around before the NetJets pilot group left the Teamsters. He failed, again. But, he was given that opportunity.

If the profession elects to wait for Hoffa and the Teamsters, that's bad news for all. But, the NetJets pilots only gave them so much time to turn it around.

That was understood before Local 1108 was charted.

 

[TORCH67]

I'm sure you can trust the IBT attorneys to do the right and legal thing!!!!

Freedom and all, you miss the point because you are looking through blinders! The NJA pilots and leadership had nothing to hide or steal. Do you really think stealing funds wouldn't be uncovered and prosecuted??? Do you really think after everything that has taken place in the last 3 years they would risk thier jobs, and possible jail time over union funds? The NJA 1108 leadership has always been up front and transparent with the membership. Can you say the same for the actions from your current leadership over the last few days?

 

[CastofThousands]

Spoken like a true friend. The timing couldn't have been worse for the Options pilots, and there was no urgency, only greed, that motivated it.

The Flight Options pilot leadership fully supported the move by the NetJets pilot group for Flight Options autonomy and the money.

Done right the Flight Options pilot group will end up far better off - this was a bad way to start. The pilot group needs to assure it gets back on track.

It wasn't greed - it was in the pilots' best interests short and long term. Long term goals and short term planning. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

I'm sure you can trust the IBT attorneys to do the right and legal thing!!!!

Freedom and all, you miss the point because you are looking through blinders! The NJA pilots and leadership had nothing to hide or steal. Do you really think stealing funds wouldn't be uncovered and prosecuted??? Do you really think after everything that has taken place in the last 3 years they would risk thier jobs, and possible jail time over union funds? The NJA 1108 leadership has always been up front and transparent with the membership. Can you say the same for the actions from your current leadership over the last few days?

ABSOLUTELY I can. Their "actions" were legal and in the best interests of the local.As I stated several pages ago - The Flight Options MEC did exactly what your leadership would have done had the situation been reversed. And, it was directed by the GP anyway. Had the MEC refused the order, they would have found themselves in trusteeship anyway.

If what you say is true about the outgoing leadership, no one has anything to worry about over there. I know our guys aren't worried. So, if no one's worried on either side, then there obviously is NOTHING to worry about.

I am not worried about anything our MEC did. They aren't worried about any investigations anyone may want to make. I do know investigations WILL take place though, that's for sure, and I just hope that nothing illicit turns up.

 

[IDEtoNJA]

Can someone please answer one simple question:

Is Local 1108 of the IBT currently in trusteeship?

Thanks,
IDEtoNJA

 

[Options_SLAVE]

It wasn't greed - it was in the pilots' best interests short and long term. Long term goals and short term planning. Nothing more nothing less.

BS. It was all about the money. Like you said - LONG term goals, SHORT term planning. You could have waited. You knew what it would do to the FLOPS pilots, you did it anyway, even though there was no urgency and it would not have affected the long-term goals. And although the FLOPS leadership likes the autonomy and the freedom of the cash, they would have preferred the solidarity and for you to have waited until after we got the contract. Our contract will not be as strong as it would have been had you not left and you know it.

 

[steelersrule74]

Our contract will not be as strong as it would have been had you not left and you know it.

that attitude of expecting NJA pilots to secure your contract is what's been holding you back. I still don't know the answer to the trusteeship question BUT you have your own local, with an eboard of FLOPS pilots and (currently) over a million dollars. Now go to work and get your contract. It's up to you.

 

[CA1900]

And, it was directed by the GP anyway. Had the MEC refused the order, they would have found themselves in trusteeship anyway.

To beat the dead horse one more time, read your bylaws. Simply not bending to the wishes of the GP does not mean your local goes into trusteeship.

Our contract will not be as strong as it would have been had you not left and you know it.

If that's the case, it will because your leadership away control of your local--and your finances--to IBT.

 

[TORCH67]

ABSOLUTELY I can. Their "actions" were legal and in the best interests of the local.As I stated several pages ago - The Flight Options MEC did exactly what your leadership would have done had the situation been reversed. And, it was directed by the GP anyway. Had the MEC refused the order, they would have found themselves in trusteeship anyway.

If what you say is true about the outgoing leadership, no one has anything to worry about over there. I know our guys aren't worried. So, if no one's worried on either side, then there obviously is NOTHING to worry about.

I am not worried about anything our MEC did. They aren't worried about any investigations anyone may want to make. I do know investigations WILL take place though, that's for sure, and I just hope that nothing illicit turns up.

So, how do you know everything was legal? What reason did the Flt Ops MEC have to not trust the departing EBoard members to do the right thing? Have they betrayed the Flight Options pilots in the past? You know the answers! Open up your eyes and see it for what it is! NJA pilots don't need your money, and never will. Can you say the same for the 1.2 mil left behind?

 

[TORCH67]

So Options_slave, you feel hurt and abandoned and are taking it out and venting! I can understand that! :smash:

 

[CastofThousands]

BS. It was all about the money. Like you said - LONG term goals, SHORT term planning. You could have waited. You knew what it would do to the FLOPS pilots, you did it anyway, even though there was no urgency and it would not have affected the long-term goals. And although the FLOPS leadership likes the autonomy and the freedom of the cash, they would have preferred the solidarity and for you to have waited until after we got the contract. Our contract will not be as strong as it would have been had you not left and you know it.

I am concerned with what you aren't being told now.

To summarize your point: The Flight Options leadership NEVER stayed on budget. They were costing over $100,000 a month above Flight Options dues revenues for 2008. And, like the IBT the NetJets cashflow was the "solidarity."

Ironically, all this while a [former] Flight Options MEC Chairman and a Negotiating Committee member wan't paying dues. But, the Flight Options leadership group refused to address the issue until the NetJets Sec/Treas refused to "keep it all under the radar."

I'm having flashbacks of all the sweeping under the rug "solidarity."

The only way to get your contract is to lay down the heat and have solidarity within your pilot group. You can blame whoever you want - but that's the bottom line - it's up to your pilot group; not NetJets and not Hoffa. It's up to the Flight Options pilot group and nobody else.

Getting at least 50% of the Flight Options pilot group to pay dues per the Local 1108 Bylaws would be a great improvement in "solidarity." Otherwise, having the International fund the effort would be another great demonstration of solidarity as well. But, being chickensh!t and deflecting it the NetJets pilot group is truly sad and not very Strong Union.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

To beat the dead horse one more time, read your bylaws. Simply not bending to the wishes of the GP does not mean your local goes into trusteeship.



If that's the case, it will because your leadership away control of your local--and your finances--to IBT.

The by-laws do not override the constitution. I already explained several pages ago that the suspected inappropriate use of Local funds for NJASAP purposes was all they need to invoke emergency trusteeship. Read it yourself.