IBT 1108 Attempts to take NJASAP funds

[Voice Of Reason]

Voice,

You are going to find out it was ALL Strong Union that got us what we have ... not IBT.

If it were up to the IBT I would be making about 50k less than I do right now. I'd be making less than you are right now.

But all that doesn't matter....they operated under IBT1108, and that is who has claim to that money. Usair ALPA (as little as Alpa does) couldn't just take all the ALPA dues with them because they want to start a new union. The money stays with ALPA (even though NATIONAL Alpa may have done nothing to earn it). That's the name of the game when you JOIN a national union and take a PLEDGE to keep it... I'm far from a union henchman as you all know,...but this is a pretty simple concept...Just something the NJASAP leaders neglected to think about when they decided to prance off.

 

[CA1900]

I so predicted that NJs was up to no good from the beginning...

If you really believe that, that's pathetic. When you guys track down the donation I made to help your terminated pilots, please send it back to me.

NJs pilots claiming how they "left Flops pilots with 'all this' money." In the SAME POSTS they are claiming Flops pilots stole said money....

Pay attention: We did leave you guys a bunch of money. Our written agreement with 1108 involved NJASAP receiving the money from the June dues check from NetJets to fund our new local, and repaying it monthly. That physical check was smuggled out of the building without the knowledge or consent of the leadership, and brought to two banks under falsified, illegal documents claiming the local was under the control of a trustee (Bill M.). It wasn't until our leadership investigated why the NetJets dues check hadn't arrived that this all came to light.

UNLESS, of course, NJs guys were planning to divert it away. That is the ONLY ONLY reason why this is being made an issue...otherwise why would they care?

We care because we made an agreement with 1108, on which they attempted to renege. The new "leadership" of 1108 tried to keep all the money, including the funds that were supposed to be loaned to NJASAP, leaving us with nothing. We made an agreement, and we will do everything necessary to ensure 1108 honors it.

Another thing....when you MORONS ...

Ahhhh, personal attacks. Lovely.

... you voted away all of the money that went to that NATIONAL union, as well as all of its protections

Yes, we did. The money that went to the IBT will probably never be seen again, by us or by Flight Options pilots. But we're not talking about those funds -- we're talking about local funds, which 1108 agreed to send to NJASAP as a loan.

I hope NJASAP comes equipped with a big "national" (lol) legal fund ...

Our staff lawyers and leadership are quite sharp. They're the reason this ploy was thwarted in the first place. We'll be fine.
And despite your sarcastic tone, I'm going to offer you a bit of advice: DO NOT depend on the IBT to fund your legal battles. They've done exactly nothing for us with our money, which is why we're leaving. Build and maintain your local treasury, if/when you get control of it again. As you'll see once you take the blinders of unquestioning support off, deferring to the IBT will get you burned.

... to defend what is SEEMS to be the interception of attempted theft on the NJ's side, NOT by Flops, the actual MEMBERS of IBT which holds the money.

So... 1108 stole the treasury before we could? Are you kidding?

I don't think that'll sound as good in court as you think it sounds here.

Gotta love karma.

Truer words were never spoken.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

CA1900, I respect your usually even-keeled posts, and do not include you in the likely vocal minority of NJs pilot "morons" that set the bad tone for the majority's reputation so often on FlightInfo.
IF what you said is true about the side agreement for June dues (which would be EXTREMELY small in comparison to the accusations of theft of $600k to a mil thrown around here), then that small amount should be rectified.
HOWEVER--that does not warrant or make acceptable the bs that has been thrown around on this thread, and the horrible ramifications that result from approaching it in this manner.
The bottom line is most NJs pilots here feel they should be taking ALL of the IBT 1108 money with them to start a new union. It just doesn't work that way, and the fact that the leaders didn't spell that out for them (though it should be common sense) is what is driving this...NOT some alleged "theft" of the organization's $ by the organization itself.

 

[Pervis]

.The bottom line is most NJs pilots here feel they should be taking ALL of the IBT 1108 money with them to start a new union. It just doesn't work that way, and the fact that the leaders didn't spell that out for them (though it should be common sense) is what is driving this...NOT some alleged "theft" of the organization's $ by the organization itself.

Were you born that way or does it take practice being such a moron? We knew exactly what decertifying would cost, and felt the 1.2+ million we were sending the IBT every year would more than make up for it. We still do.

This was going so well, with 13+ pages and good discussion, in spite of the occasional emotional responses. Now this from Reason. What next-Skanza and B19?

 

[TurboHonda]

.........
I have no more to say on the subject..........

Promises promises. This thread has reached the point of being comical. I'm sure that FLOPS management is loving it. B19 is getting a well deserved rest. We're doing his dirty work for him.

I know the 2 MEC members that are taking undeserved abuse. I've trusted them with my career and my family's well being for a long time now, and that's not going to change.

Eventually the truth will reveal itself. Meanwhile this reminds me of slicing baloney. No matter how thin it's sliced, there's always two sides.

 

[NJAPLT]

The NJASAP and the IBT signed the transition agreement, and the NJASAP relied on the loan that was agreed upon to set up and transition equipment and staff to our new union. If Hoffa had been successful with "hiding" the funds from the current (as of that week-the "old" MEC), the MEC would have been unable to execute the agreement. The New MEC might even have had a case for voiding the transition, claiming that the NJASAP was not a viable union due to financial issues.

Going to court to make the IBT execute what what the NJASAP and IBT already agreed to would have only benefitted the lawyers, and the IBT, not the NJASAP, as the NJASAP would have to take donations again just to buy the legal help we would have needed.

The story had been rehashed enough. Due to the safeguards the old MEC put in place, the attempt by Hoffa and his crew was stopped. Law enforcement is investigating, but in the end I suspect because the money grab was not successful, the prosecutor will not prosecute.

The biggest issue in this incident is about ethics. The Teamsters national produced a false document alleging that they had taken the union into trusteeship. This was known to be false by the teamsters national, as they did not file the document with any entity, but used them to gain access to bank accounts.

The national IBT then had 2 of the Flops senior union leaders (who were not yet appointed) take this document and attempt to get funds out of an account they were not yet authorized to access.

If the Flops leadership was fooled by the national IBT, and did really not know what they were doing was both immoral and illegal, then I guess they learned a valuable lesson. If they did recognize it was illegal, immoral and did it anyway, it shows a serious lack of judgement.

Except for cooperating with any law enforcement inquiry, and sending the monthly payments as agreed with, the former 1108 NJA pilots have no control or influence with the remaining 1108 pilots. If they want to stick their head in the sand and believe nothing immoral went on during the incident, that is their right. If they want to give the benefit of the doubt to their MEC that the National fooled them, that is also their right. If the Flops pilots think that the attempted money grab was illegal and immoral but supported it anyway, that is also fine.

The 1108 and the NJASAP has many common interests, but due to this incident it will be now much harder for the NJASAP to work with the 1108.

A real apology to the NJA pilots by those involved is warranted, but at a minimum a formal censure toward all of those who participated by the uninvolved MEC members would at least help our two groups get back on track cooperating on our common issues. I believe it would also set the tone for the Flops pilots reign at the 1108.

 

[Starman]

The bookkeeper (who was offered a job at Cleveland) skulking around in the back office in the dark handing a check over to Bill Moore. Bill Moore illegally taking said check off premises.

Two Flight Options pilots presenting themselves to a bank official as something that they weren't (President and Treasurer) in order to try and deposit said check.

The Airline Division being totally in the dark about any "Trusteeship"

Neither the President nor the Executive Board of the Local was notified of any "Trusteeship."

The DOL not being notified of any "Trusteeship"

Yep - this sounds just like a legal action.

Spin this crap anyway you want boys. This was deceitful, unethical and illegal. Hopefully all 4 of them will get to have "Convicted Felon" added to their resume.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

BINGO...exactly as I suspected...

Oh, the tangled web the NJASAP leadership spins....



There was NO monies stolen. Period. All that happened was a matter of PROTOCOL. All that occurred was that all the bank accounts that were part of the 1108 had the signature cards with the old net jets leadership pilots' names removed and the new 1108 leadership's names - Flight Options pilots -added. Period.

What is interesting to note is that there was indeed "hidden" accounts found by the Flight Options leadership, including one account with a half a million dollars in it, and there is evidence that IBT 1108 funds were being used to fund NJASAP organizing activities including airline fares, etc. and funded with IBT 1108 monies. THAT would be illegal.

What's really happened is that the NJASAP pilots lost access to all of the 1108 funds before they could do any "maneuvering" of any such funds and it pissed them off that they couldn't do anything about it.

There is a matter of a $377,000 LOAN from the IBT 1108 to the NJASAP pilot leadership that was to cover the dues payments from Net Jets, that would be paid back in 12 months to the IBT 1108, and that can and will be available according to the agreement. That is the ONLY money that could be considered belonging to the NJASAP group, but it doesn't really, as it's only a LOAN, and that will still be allowed to happen, under the CONTROL of the 1108 new leadership. When the proper documentation is handled, I'm sure the money will be made available.

The bottom line is this: NOTHING was stolen. Not a dime. ALL such monies belong to the IBT 1108. Net Jets pilots are no longer part of the 1108. They no longer have any rights to any bank accounts. The only thing that was "taken" was CONTROL of the money, done so as the 1108 Chairman M.S. already stated, was done under the authority and direction of the IBT Corporate offices, who made sure the "change of command" of the money was done properly. This was done for many reasons, including the following:

1. Duh. Control. The monies had to be put under the control of the incoming leadership, and taken away from the outgoing leadership who were no longer a part of the Local.

2. Well over 5 digits in "outstanding checks" by the "old" leadership for "expenses".

3. The "general fund" was pretty much depleted. Why is being investigated.

4. A missing SIGNED check for an amount well into 5 digits. No one at the Columbus office seems to know where it is.

5. On-going expenses. Payroll, bills need to be paid, the incoming leadership obviously needed access and permissions on the accounts to make that happen.



The CURRENT IBT 1108 leadership HAD to take control of the funds belonging to THEIR pilot group.

If the NJASAP leadership thinks some of that money is theirs, then they are free to have their lawyers straighten that out, but it's pretty cut and dry and legally that money stays with the Local whether the NJASAP leadership likes it or not.

There is no doubt that the IBT 1108 current leadership welcomes any legal investigations into any of this and as usual, they will operate legally and cooperate with any legal investigations.

It is sad that the NJASAP leadership or their private and privy peanut gallery (or their wives?) had to come and air their dirty laundry under fake names and make false statements and accusations in the public forum about the Flight Options leadership knowing that they have no facts to back up such false claims, trying to create animocity between the NJ and FO pilot groups as well as attempting to create doubt amongst the FO pilot group about their leadership. The timing of all of this during the critical end-phase of negotiations with the FO pilots and their company when solidarity is precariously important is also appauling. And I hear there IS an investigation proceeding regarding certain activities and ATTEMPTED activites from the NJASAP leadership regarding such expenses that were used and paid for by the Net Jets 1108 leadership for NJASAP organizing activities. This would of course be illegal spending.

Such attempts by the NJASAP leadership to create such doubt about the FO leadership may backfire and could prove that there may be reason to doubt the NJASAP pilot leadership and their ways of handling money.

If there was any criminal activities done regarding this topic, I would be willing to bet that the Flight Options 1108 MEC is not worried about anything on their end, they took control of the money as per the direction of the IBT Corporate office with their authority and attornie's direction, and what they did was the same thing the Net Jets NJASAP leadership would have done if the situation was reversed. The leadership has an obligation to the Local and its members to protect the Local's money. To suggest ANYTHING less than that is menutia and spoken in anger, because the NJASAP leadership didn't get to do what "they" wanted to do with the monies that "they" no longer have any legal right to. If they think they do.... they are more than welcome to prove it in court.

Having said that, I personally am extremely thankful for everything the Net Jets pilot group - their leadership and the entire pilot group - has done to assist the flight options pilot group in organizing and the help we have gained through support and solidarity toward our own pilot group achieving our first contract. I personally know every member of the FO MEC and know that they would never do anything illegal and that they do not wish to take anything that isn't "theirs". The only thing taken was control of the money. If there is money to be given to the Net Jets pilots, it will be given to them in the only way that it should be done: Legally and transparently.

We all are on the same team and we all should be helping each other to make the industry as safe as possible and as profitable as possible for everyone at the negotiations table. Making baseless accusations about the transfer of ownership of bank accounts during the departure of the Net Jets pilots from the Local 1108 does nothing but create unneeded strife.

And Grizz - I still got YOUR back, and would do anything I could to help a Net Jets pilot. Your implication is ridiculous. We are all on the same team, here.

 

[Pervis]

Promises promises. This thread has reached the point of being comical. I'm sure that FLOPS management is loving it. B19 is getting a well deserved rest. We're doing his dirty work for him.

I know the 2 MEC members that are taking undeserved abuse. I've trusted them with my career and my family's well being for a long time now, and that's not going to change.

Eventually the truth will reveal itself. Meanwhile this reminds me of slicing baloney. No matter how thin it's sliced, there's always two sides.

Turbo, I can't vouch for or against your leaders in question, and all we can do is wait for the legal types to sort his out. I will say we had 5 guys we trusted with our futures for a long time, until it was clear they only had their own interests at heart. That cost us dearly.

To be honest, with what has been made public, it looks like your folks were suckered into something rather distasteful by Hoffa and his henchmen. Seems the IBT has a reputation for such tactics.

Whatever either side feels or believes, the bankers and law enforcement involved don't like what transpired. Maybe it is huge misunderstanding, but it looks shady as hell. Bottom line is the majority on both sides aren't involved directly and should not hold anything against either side. We can't fall into the trap and continue after each other's throat.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Hoffa and his henchmen. Seems the IBT has a reputation for such tactics.

Funny when I used to say that to all you NJs guys you denied it to the death....
Mad because they were a step ahead of what your thugs actually WERE up to? Ironic how it all turns around....

 

[Freedom]

Anatomy of a Divorce

I used the analogy in an earlier Post, and it seems more accurate as this thread grows.

Bottom Line:

IBT 1108 Funds are safely under the control of IBT 1108 Officers, not NJASAP Officers.

The Flight Options Pilots will be fine.

The NetJets Pilots will get their agreed upon loan, but it will be with money allocated by CURRENT IBT 1108 Officers, not signed over to onesself, as a "Personal Loan," just prior to leaving the Organization.

You boys seem like you don't like not being in control anymore. You chose to leave the Organization, not us.

Don't expect the Flight Options Pilots to just roll over and allow you to keep the keys to the Treasure because that is what you would have liked.

You will get your Loan, assuming it is not discovered that your leadership already misappropriated IBT 1108 Funds, but it will not be taken by Former IBT 1108 Officers. It will be loaned by Current IBT 1108 Officers.

Freedom in Not Free

 

[Pervis]

Funny when I used to say that to all you NJs guys you denied it to the death....
Mad because they were a step ahead of what your thugs actually WERE up to? Ironic how it all turns around....

All us NJs guys denied it? Our thugs? Tell me you don't hold a valid FAA medical certificate. Please.

 

[slowjet]

Hey people,

How about laying off this subject since you are not lawyers or law enforcement and concentrate on getting on with your jobs and oh, yeah, getting my job and the other 69 ILLEGALLY fired pilots jobs back. All this does is give power to the FLOPS unethical management group.
Allow the courts to determine if there was foul play or not- it's their jobs, not ours.

Unemployeed pilot!!!

 

[Grizz]

We've already gotten the money Freedom. We were able to protect it because the IBTs poorly thought out plan failed.

If you really think you are in charge of what happens to the remaining money now that your leadership has acquiesced to an illegal Trusteeship, you're mistaken. Based on what I saw and the spending habits of your guys versus dues collected, I figured that 1108 was going to be out of funds by Christmas or Groundhog Day at the very latest. Now that BM has been so kindly given the keys to the Treasury, I figure it will happen much sooner than that. Hopefully you'll make it to Thanksgiving before the funds run out.

After it happens, tell me how you guys like being merged into 727 or 1224.

 

[steelersrule74]

Freedom, the Netjets pilots already have their loan. That's a result of the steps we took this week to ensure the compliance with the separation agreement.

as to whether or not the FLOPS pilots will be fine.........that's the issue that is causing so much concern. From what we saw last week you have 2 leaders who are either ethically challenged at worst or able to be hoodwinked rather easily at best - and now they have added bill moore and a bookkeeper whose loyalties have been proven to be towards the IBT - not the local.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong and that all works out.......

 

[Freedom]

That's an Outright Lie Grizz, and you know it.

We've already gotten the money Freedom. We were able to protect it because the IBTs poorly thought out plan failed.


If you really think you are in charge of what happens to the remaining money now that your leadership has acquiesced to an illegal Trusteeship, you're mistaken. Based on what I saw and the spending habits of your guys versus dues collected, I figured that 1108 was going to be out of funds by Christmas or Groundhog Day at the very latest. Now that BM has been so kindly given the keys to the Treasury, I figure it will happen much sooner than that. Hopefully you'll make it to Thanksgiving before the funds run out.

After it happens, tell me how you guys like being merged into 727 or 1224.

Yes, we were in the hole to the tune of approx 6-7000 dollars per month with Costs vs. Dues collection. It certainly did not help that Sh-tfinger took the Pilot group from over 1000 to less than 500.

But to make the kind of statement (false) you just made, does nothing but put into the minds of the Flight Options Pilots doubt about whether or not they should stay in the fight.

You are doing B19's job for him. Nice work Grizz!

Instead, with 1.2 million as a War Fund, and only running a deficit of lets aim high and say 7000/month, by my calculations, not including Interest, just on Principle alone, we could last another 171 months, or 14+ years in Negotiations.

We all know Flight Options as a company could never endure this battle for 14+ years, so I feel it safe to say the Flight Options Pilots will be just fine, but thanks for your concerns. The Company cannot continue to operate as they have been. They need to make a huge change in direction with regard to their Pilots; I expect just such a change to be announced shortly.

You are showing your True Colors here Grizz. Your boys say they are pissed at the National and 2 MEC members, yet you make statements to harm the entire Flight Options Pilots Contract Negotiations efforts.

How do you justify that?


Freedom is Not Free

 

[steelersrule74]

I'd say Grizz was making a prediction not a statement of fact.

however, no one at FLOPS has answered the question I've asked several times.

Are you in trusteeship???????

If that's the case and IBT not 1108 controls that 1.2 million - i'm not entirely sure you'll have the 14 years of funds available you seem to think. You want to know why we're pissed? it's because this agreement to separate had set FLOPS pilots up perfectly to get the contract you deserve. It appears to many of us that those efforts to help were in vain and your executive board is taking you down a path that has no happy ending.

predictions are only truths or lies after the future validates them. We will see in 6 months whose vision had greater accuracy.......I personally hope I am very very wrong with what I see.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

There are 4 bank accounts that signature cards were changed on, including the petty cash fund, the main savings fund which is in CD's and bonds, the general fund, which miraculously was massively depleted so that after payroll expenses would be down to just about zero, and a 4th account with very little money in it. No account has any information regarding Net Jets pilot donations.

WHAT bank and WHAT account did the Net Jets leadership use for such donated funds? I have it on good authority that the flight options leadership has NEVER seen any donations from the net jets pilots for their RIF pilots, and no RIF pilot has ever received such donations. All the NJASAP leadership needs to do is tell the FO MEC treasurer where that money is/was deposited.

The GP did what he did based on what the auditor was seeing, and everything was done with IBT attornies telling the auditor and the FO MEC members to do to secure and maintain control of all IBT 1108 funds. "the check" in question was a dues payment that should have been paid to the Local. It belonged to the Local, not NJASAP.

Nothing illegal, and nothing illicit was done. Certain precautions were put in place to PROTECT the Local's and it's members' interests.

Now there is the question of up to a half a million dollars in misappropriated funds - computers bought for net jets pilots paid for by the 1108 (they should be 1108 assets, not personal computers as "gifts", right?), flight loss pay for NJASAP leadership pilots, etc. If there is even a HINT of such misappropriations, the GP has the authority under the IBT constitution to invoke emergency trusteeship.

If anyone should be worrying about the police or being caught with their hand in the cookie jar, I think that person will be wearing a net jets tie, not a flight options tie. The flight options guys are not worried about any of that because THEY weren't up to anything conspicuous.

We'll see who's pilot group should be looking at their leaders as corrupt if any of that proves to be true. The flight options MEC is blameless, and if the plan that Grizz eludes to was so poor, then why is it that it worked and why are the NJASAP pilots' panties in such a wad? Do you really think the IBT National cares about a measly $377 thousand, which most of that goes to the LOCAL and only what, $85k goes to National? (Yeah, you still have to pay national's fee for that loan)

Voice of Reason's original comment couldn't have hit the nail more squarely, in my opinion. The more you guys spill your guts, the more this becomes painfully obvious someone "over there" had alterior motives regarding the Local's bank accounts, not to mention the $170,000+ in floating checks that would become the Local's responsibility AFTER the 11th of July.

I'm glad they did what they did. It sounds to me it was a good idea. Hoffa insured that the Local 1108's money stayed in the Local's hands and did not get misappropriated. Now we will see if there was already a lot of other Local 1108 money that was illegally spent by the NJASAP leadership while they organized their new little union.

 

[CastofThousands]

Title III of the LMRDA has defined limits within the RLA. Trusteeship has a much higher bar for RLA dedicated labor organizations.

http://www.laborers.org/UnionRights.html

LMRDA
Title III – Trusteeships
Title III of the LMRDA provides controls on the use of trusteeships. Under the Act, a "trusteeship" is "any receivership, trusteeship, or other method of supervision or control whereby a labor organization suspends the autonomy otherwise available to a subordinate body under its constitution or bylaws." Simply put, a trusteeship means an international administrator is sent in to run the affairs of the local union.
A trusteeship is one of a number of disciplinary devices by which the international union can control the actions of the local and its members. In their original form, trusteeships were imposed by parent unions to remedy corruption by union officials at the local level. However, the use of trusteeships became so widely used and subject to enough abuse that the McClellan Committee included them in its investigation. Obviously, legitimately utilized, a trusteeship can be indispensable to cleaning up a local and keeping the union strong, while a trusteeship imposed for improper or abusive reasons deeply violates the democratic rights of a local’s membership and takes away their voice in union matters.
Title III was designed to prevent abuses of the trusteeship remedy. Under Title III, trusteeships may be established over subordinate unions only in accordance with the constitution and bylaws of the union imposing the trusteeship, and for one or more of the following purposes:
0. Correcting corruption or financial malpractice;
0. Assuring the performance of a collective bargaining agreement or other duties of a bargaining representative;
0. Restoring democratic procedures; or
0. Otherwise carrying out the legitimate objects of such labor organization.
[It is illegal to establish a trusteeship simply to throw out a local leadership that does not go along with the international, or to suppress insurgency, or to get control of the local’s money, etc.]
Unions which impose trusteeships must file with the Secretary of Labor special reports within 30 days of the establishment of a trusteeship and must report semiannually thereafter. In the initial report, the union must include, among other information, the date the trusteeship was established, a detailed report of the reason or reasons why the trusteeship was established, a complete account of the financial status of the trusteed organization at the time the trusteeship went into effect, and statements regarding the extent to which members of the trusteed organization take part in electing the officers of the union which has assumed the trusteeship, as well as in selecting delegates to represent them at union conventions or other policymaking meetings.
Under Title III, a trusteeship is presumed valid for 18 months from the date it is established, and cannot be attacked during that year and-a-half except upon "clear and convincing proof that the trusteeship was not established or maintained in good faith for a purpose allowable under [Title III]." When the 18 months has expired, the trusteeship is presumed invalid in any proceeding and will be discontinued unless the union shows by "clear and convincing" proof that the continuation of the trusteeship is necessary for an allowable purpose.
In administering a trusteeship, two practices are specifically prohibited: 1) It is unlawful to count votes of convention delegates from the subordinate organization unless they were elected by secret ballot in an election where all members in good standing could participate; and 2) It is unlawful to transfer any funds from a subordinate to a supervisory organization, except normal per capita taxes and assessments payable by other subordinate bodies.
Title III provides two enforcement alternatives:
0. A union member, or a subordinate body affected by a violation, can file a complaint with the Department of Labor, which must investigate. If the Department of Labor upholds the complaint and the union refuses to lift the trusteeship, the Department can file a civil action in district court [if the Department files suit, the court’s jurisdiction is exclusive]; or
Any union member or subordinate body of a union affected by a violation of Title III can bypass the Department of Labor and file suit directly in district court.

 

[TORCH67]

What has the NJA/(Former 1108) leadership done to deserve the distrust from a few of Flight Option pilots? Tell me what they have done other than support the Flight Options pilots for the last 2 years with time and money?

Answer the following questions!

1. Who formed, funded and organized 1108 into one of the most productive locals in history?

2. Did Hoffa/IBT negotiate an industry leading contract in 2005?

3. Did Hoffa/IBT do the groundwork and spend many hours of personal time to help organize Flight Options pilots?

4. Did Hoffa/IBT form unprecedented relationships with NJA management which resulted in Interest Based Bargaining? Did he better the lives of many NJA pilots as well as the bottom line for the company at the same time?

5. What do you get for your money that is going to the IBT coffers in Washington?

6. Ask the Airborne Express/DHL pilots how the IBT is helping them out right now?

Hoffa and the IBT are big on promises and short on actions(at least legal ones)! The new 1108 leadership has made their bed and now they have to lay in it. This doesn’t mean the Flight Options pilots have to do the same!! When the smoke clears from this underhanded debacle, I sure hope it doesn’t affect the line pilots at Flight Ops and their quest for a contract.

There are two statements that ring true more than ever!

“Trust but verify”!
"Actions speak louder than words"!