IBT 1108 Attempts to take NJASAP funds

[steelersrule74]

Either the NetJets Leadership was planning to transfer funds that they had no legal right to, into an NJASAP account, and our Leaderships actions stopped them, or what I hope is the case, this former E-Board President had his feelings hurt because the Flight Options Pilots Leaders, under the Direction of the National, went in and made a Preemptive Strike to assure the Resources which rightfully belonged to the remaining IBT 1108 Members (Flight Options Pilots) could not be raided at the 11th hour.

That attitude (if in the majority) is why relations between our two groups may be damaged beyond repair. I have high hopes that you are in a handful of supremely naive pilots and the rest are smart enough to figure out what happened. After all the effort the pilots at NJA have made for FLOPS. Organizing, providing our volunteers to train, financially supporting your negotiations even though the costs exceeded dues collected by FLOPS by 100-150%, to refunding all dues to terminated pilots, to authorizing free memberships for said pilots at various airline employment services, to collecting donations from NJA pilots, and the list goes on - AND YOU THINK A PREEMPTIVE STRIKE WAS NEEDED TO PROTECT THE LOCAL FROM US???????

that is truly pathetic.....................

A fully functioning local, complete with staff, infrastructure and 1.5-1.7 million dollars, not one dollar of which was a result of FLOPS dues. It was the right thing to do and I'm glad it was set up that way. We don't need gratitude (would be nice), we don't need thanks (would be classy) but after giving everything listed above over the last few years we sure as hell don't need the attitude that you could possibly have ANYTHING we'd want to steal..........

 

[ProFracPilot]

How about a full investigation first? There's no reason to skip due process or make this anymore difficult than it already is...

We don't always agree NJW, but this is sound advice.

 

[Freedom]

Stepping Down? Not Likely....

How about a full investigation first? There's no reason to skip due process or make this anymore difficult than it already is...

For all we know, they may already be planning to step down in the meantime (putting the good of the pilotgroup first) so that other less distracting leaders can take their place. That would allow the focus to remain on the contract negotiations where it needs to be right now. Hint, hint.

Heroes don't need to "Step Down" when they rush into a burning building to secure the Treasure of the Family, the 1108 Family.

I thought you guys were done with the attacks, but it seems not.

That's fine. Carry On. The Flight Options Pilot Group stands firmly behind our Leadership; much as it seems the NetJets Pilot Group is standing behind their own.

Sound like a Draw to me. Time for the Lawyers to Clean up the small details, as the song goes.

Freedom is Not Free

 

[B19 Flyer]

Tapped onto his Screen Name and he is busy typing in some FUD (Fear, Uncertainly, and Doubt) for us all to be shaking in our boots over.

Oh boy, I can't wait:laugh:

Looks like he decided to sit it out on the Sidelines though for now, and see how much damage we can do to eachother, before he comes in to try and finish us off. Maybe B19 is being smarter than I give him credit for. Good decision B19. Why should you work for your Retainer, while we will do the work for you.

Freedom is Not Free

I'm not laughing at this because I've seen these things before and I know how ugly they get.

I kept saying this wasn't going to be easy, but even I could never have envisioned an uglier scenario. It's pretty sad.

All of you seem to be as proud of your union as I am to say I've found a way to remain union free.

Even though I find this not a laughing matter, I can't even for one second not grin and say, "I told you so."

 

[netjetwife]

We don't always agree NJW, but this is sound advice.

I'm also aware that we've differed in our opinions from time to time, Pro, but we do so respectfully and give credit where it's due. I don't ask for more than that. Thanks, NJW

 

[dime line]

Oh mighty b19 you so told us so.......thank god your on here to guide us, little people

ps how is the resume going

 

[BlueNose]

Freedom, or Fooldom?

That attitude (if in the majority) is why relations between our two groups may be damaged beyond repair. I have high hopes that you are in a handful of supremely naive pilots and the rest are smart enough to figure out what happened.

Freedom's not in the majority, he's a mouthpiece. Hey, captain Random and improper Capitalization, here's a Hint - first word of the sentence and proper nouns only, otherwise step away from the shift key.

Cast has talked about honesty, openness and respect for the pilot group. If we'd had that in the first place, there would've been no need for organizing. If we'd seen it from the FO 1108 "leadership", they'd have had the majority behind them long ago and a contract might already be in place. As it stands, too many FO pilots are caught in between, trying to figure out who to distrust less. This is like watching a Greek tragedy.

 

[netjetwife]

Freedom, if you're seeing an attack in my post you must be looking for something that isn't there. I'm standing behind due process, honesty and fairness.

Burning building?! That sounds very much like the inflammatory (no pun intended) rhetoric I suspect Bill Moore used to sway those involved. Treasure of the family? :erm: Are you referring to the savings amassed by the NJ pilots who worked hard to make sure the Options pilotgroup was left in a good position to finish their contract negotiations.

In the interest of giving credit where it's due, it must be noted that the NJ side of 1108 followed the Separation Document (negotiated by all parties and agreed to in writing by your leadership) to the letter. I had expected nothing less as that was the right thing to do. Had the NJ leaders attempted to violate the Agreement, I'd have made the same step down suggestion.

Here's a piece of insider info to keep things in perspective: The NJ leaders have so much integrity that they used donations instead of the 1108 operating fund to provide the Union staff with an appreciation lunch for all the extra work of late. So the baseless accusations are illogical, and as others have noted, pathetic. They had even agreed to borrow back some of their own money with good grace!! To falsely accuse them just adds insult to injury. This is no way to encourage pilot groups to help one another...

Here's another shared perspective: My husband just got a mailed check yesterday from the former 1108 Secretary/Treasurer, reimbursing him for travel expenses to work in CMH on the transition--per the Agreement. The check should have been signed by the (recently fired) 1108 book-keeper who had lied about paying the NJ pilots' expenses. It seems she was holding onto that money for the Options pilots. After all she paid their bills. Had there been no wrong-doing my husband would have been reimbursed on time in the usual way. There definitely needs to be a full investigation and due process should be followed.

 

[LAZYB]

I don't want to slam the Man, so I won't.

But if you go back through all of this thread, and view his Posts, especially the one by "Phoenix", you will have a pretty good idea of just how high up the NetJets Pilot's leadership pole this guy sat. As in the top.

Yet he finds it acceptable to start publishing, on a Public Website, financial numbers and membership percentages that if true, could seriously hurt the Flight Options Pilots Negotiating position with our Manangement.

Why would he do such a thing? I thought his Beef was with the National and these two Flight Options Leaders (who by the way, I view as Heroes in this process).

The answer should be pretty obviously to anyone with half a brain. Either the NetJets Leadership was planning to transfer funds that they had no legal right to, into an NJASAP account, and our Leaderships actions stopped them, or what I hope is the case, this former E-Board President had his feelings hurt because the Flight Options Pilots Leaders, under the Direction of the National, went in and made a Preemptive Strike to assure the Resources which rightfully belonged to the remaining IBT 1108 Members (Flight Options Pilots) could not be raided at the 11th hour.

There is absolutely no excuse for the behavior of the former E-Board President on this website which directly hurt the Flight Options Pilots, none.

What he did by revealing confidential numbers (which may or may not be accurate) on this website was the Act of a Child.

The former Executive Board President of the 1108, INTENTIONALLY set out to harm the Flight Options Pilots by revealing this confidential information.

It should be obvious to all that he was placing his EGO ahead of the interests of the Flight Options Pilots.

This action gives a clear picture of the man's True Colors. Now that he is no longer a part of the IBT 1108, he could give a crap about the Flight Options Pilots. When he was the leader of the 1108, he not only wanted the Options Pilots to do well as members of the 1108, but also wanted Citation Shares and FlexJet Pilots to sign up.

This man's EGO seems to be larger than the Mountains around which he lives. And this EGO, is now harming the Flight Options Pilots. That is something I cannot stand by and watch.

I am a Hostage. I sacrificed my Job for this fight. I will not let this former Executive Board President come in here and attempt to harm my fellow Pilots and our Cause unchecked.

That is all.

Freedom is Not Free

"I would rather you just said "thank you," and went on your way...

Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to."

Oh, and you're welcome for the $1.7 million.

 

[netjetwife]

Oh mighty b19 you so told us so.......thank god your on here to guide us, little people

ps how is the resume going

I'm glad you guys find him amusing, Dime. After I finish my Give Scheeringa the Boot campaign I'm thinking of switching my avatar to one with red boots for a Stomp Out FUD campaign. Fudspinner will then have a new pair of boots to insult... providing you guys with more entertainment...

 

[netjetwife]

Thanks for sharing your perspective, Blue. Sometimes it does take awhile for a group to settle on the right leadership mix. The NJ pilots have had their own setbacks in that regard, as well. Growing pains are often part of the process of becoming a cohesive unit. From observing the NJ pilots, I'd say that active participation from the majority and experience working on your goals together as a group makes it easier to identify the best leaders among you.

Yes, these are hard times for the FltOps pilots and their families, but overcoming adversities and working thru your problems together will strength you as a group and result in greater camaraderie down the road. Best Wishes, NJW

 

[cougar12]

Thank you NJ pilots!

I just want you all to know we really appreciate your help and I hope this is cleared up soon! I hope we as a group find that there was some bad information given to National and we can move forward. I don't believe either side was trying to take advantage of each other.
Thanks to NJW, I too think it is better to call this transition troubles. All of the FO pilots I have talked to have said they will make sure we live up to the agreement. We support all of you in your new union and know it will be a huge success.

 

[netjetwife]

Thanks for the friendly words and well wishes! I think it's time for an ecard---

http://www.bluemountain.com/view.pd?i=194169030&m=1932&rr=y&source=bma999

 

[172driver]

Do Netjetters really know what all the national does with the legal department, with lobbying, with political donations

Yes we do, and the answer is nothing remotely related to aviation. Please show me the evidence otherwise if you can find it.

 

[Semore Butts]

Let me just say this.

I posted most of this on another thread.

It applies here asw well.

Lets back up and let the system work.

My "aw sh!t" meter seldom comes off the peg since seeing how bad the world can be.

Unfortunately, this brought it off the peg.

Rupert (rude prick)

"I stopped paying my dues after I saw the company package and discovered the 1108 refused it".

This rupert type guys is the type that probably already has his app in at Netjets.

(not actually rupert because we think he's a managment troll)

It's to bad we can't screen these guys to see if they are dues paying members before we hire them.

He will be happy to take any gains fought for by the union members.

It is just so foul.

On another note. These accusations that we tried to steal FO funds?

Where did the money come from? Netjets pilots!

I promise you if NJASAP said we needed money.

The pilots would be tripping over each other to donate money to feed our cause. This would be on top of the dues.

People like rupert are the reason this country is in the shape its in.

As Freedom said "Freedom isn't free".

I think Freedom is way out of line with his accusations, but I would be happy to fly with him because he is in the fight for a better life.

Rupert however, is a leech, and a person of the lowest order. I hope you haven't successfully mated. Jerk!

Everbody is pi$$ed because people they hold in high regard are uner attack.

The truth of the matter is FO is fighting a difficult battle with a few valiant rebels that are largley being screwed by there own fellow non-contributing pilots.

They have sufferred 70+ losses already.

I'm not endorsing thievery on any side. Thats no good.

Lets step back, "check ammo" and move on.

This fight will be finalized in the future in the court room.

For now, get your asses back in position and "hold the line"!!!!!!!!!!

(I hope I may speak for the people of Netjets who have given me a great job to come back too)

Good luck to you all. We at Netjets are behind you very brave men and woman that are sacrificing such effort to get a decent contract for yourselves and the unappreciative leeches that you are dragging along with you.

I wish we could grab you all and leave the rest to their small minded short sighted desires.

Good luck.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Heroes don't need to "Step Down" when they rush into a burning building to secure the Treasure of the Family, the 1108 Family.

You have an extraordinarily well-developed sense of entitlement. It will be interesting to see if you can truly do anything for yourselves. I tend to doubt it.

 

[Freedom]

I Wish BOTH Pilot Groups all the best moving forward

Freedom is Not Free

 

[vref25]

Bump.

 

[slowjet]

Who is going to be big enough to apologize first for falsly accusing the two Flight Options pilots of the so-called theft. Everyone has the money according to the seperation agreement. There never was any attempt to steal.
Perhaps a little professionalism and responsibilty is needed here.
Nobody has the right to accuse, try, and punish without due process.
So, again, who will be the first to apologize?
There are a lot of people who acted in a shameful way-very disappointed.

 

[Pervis]

Slow, that goes both ways. What happened was outlined way back in this thread. Accusations and comments from both sides have gotten way out of hand since the origional story broke.

Greg Rountree, who was there, also gave his version in another thread. He even signed his own name in this public forum. I haven't seen the two from FLOPS counter anything, have you? At least not without an alias.

The prudent thing to do is stop the character assassinations and let the authorities do their thing. I have a feeling the only ones to fear legal issues are BM and the IBT. Your folks were used, which is unfortunate, but not likely criminal. Question is, if that's the case, do you want them leading you in anything?

 

[netjetwife]

Correction: There definitely was an attempt to steal. The (fired) 1108 bookkeeper, only Union staff member not going with NJASAP, had lied to the (then) 1108 President (a NJ pilot) about paying the NJ bills. My husband, a transition team member owed reimbursement for expenses, wondered for days if he'd see any money. He would not have been paid back if the (then) 1108 Treasurer had not discovered the mishandling of funds and corrected the situation. The bank cooperated with NJ leaders and stop-orders were placed because money was being misdirected. Bill Moore was calling the shots and he led astray the FltOps leaders as well as the bookkeeper. The entire mess is regrettable and I had hoped that Greg Rountree's post would have provided an end to the conversation here. Slow, I suggest that you, and others who share your viewpoint, re-read it.

I am very sorry that this ever happened. I am saddened that the two FltOps leaders didn't trust the NJ pilots who had never let them down and who had bent over backwards to help them. I find it awful that they believed illogical lies from BM and allowed themselves to be used in a revengeful power-play against their fellow frac pilots. It is a shame that some of the FltOps pilots have made a bad situation worse by falsely (adding insult to injury) accusing the NJ leaders of wrongdoing when they were actually the only signers to the Separation Agreement following the rules all had agreed to months earlier.

I do not regret that I have acted from my heart in offering support to both pilotgroups. I am not sorry that I have followed my conscience in calling for fairness, old-fashioned morality, and due process. I do not think it is wrong to remind readers that the money in the 1108 account had been put there by the NJ pilots and was willingly being left behind in sincere hopes that it would be used to obtain a fair contract for the Options pilots.

I fully understand that good people can make bad mistakes when they trust the wrong person. I think it should be apparent to all that that is what happened in this case and I apologize for not making that observation in my first post on the subject. I am sorry that I assumed that others were being mindful of that fact.

With a heavy heart,
Netjetwife

 

[slowjet]

Pervis, Netjets wife,

Both parties had the idea that the other party was going to back out of the deal. Your NJASAP is not as innocent as you think. If you live in a glass house- do not throw rocks.

The IBT had reason to act the way they did and have the two falsely accused pilots move to protect the agreed money that was supposed to stay for the IBT- AS AGREED. As of now, all parties have thier agreed upon money.

Do you see any threads of the IBT or FLOPS pilots making accusations against the NJASAP or Netjets pilot- NO! Nobody was trying to steal anything. You can say that all day if you wish. It was jsut a matter of taking CONTROL of the funds to protect it and somebody at NJASAP got upset over that and made an accusation. By the way, you really think two people in a very public forum will be so stupid to think they could get away with stealing money in their own names. Get real!

I happen to know one of the accused. I trust him with my life. This accusation (no due process what-so-ever) was very irresponsible. I just hope it does not hurt the Flight Options pilot group trying to land a first contract with a corrupt management team.

You have your money, so please leave us alone so we can get on with what we richly deserve- an industry standard contract- and my job back.

The attack on these two pilots was very shameful.
Again, who is going to apologize when all of this is said and done and it is proven there was no wrong-doing?

Enough said.

 

[CA1900]

(I guess this thread's not going to die just yet...)

Both parties had the idea that the other party was going to back out of the deal. Your NJASAP is not as innocent as you think.

We had people watching because we were concerned that IBT--not 1108--was going to try to screw up this deal. Which is exactly what they attempted to do.

The IBT had reason to act the way they did and have the two falsely accused pilots move...

They aren't falsely accused -- they were in the bank, holding the falsified paperwork. They were willing accomplices to a crime. Misdirected by Bill Moore? Very likely. Didn't know it was a crime? Again, very likely. But ignorance of the law isn't an excuse; they were still accomplices.

...to protect the agreed money that was supposed to stay for the IBT- AS AGREED. As of now, all parties have thier agreed upon money.

They have their money because we stopped the illegal transaction in its tracks.

Do you see any threads of the IBT or FLOPS pilots making accusations against the NJASAP or Netjets pilot- NO! Nobody was trying to steal anything.

Are you kidding? There are accusations in this very thread suggesting that very thing. We weren't the ones who let Bill Moore in the back door, and handed over a checking belonging to 1108 in a darkened office, without the knowledge or consent of the leadership in charge that day.

You can say that all day if you wish. It was jsut a matter of taking CONTROL of the funds to protect it and somebody at NJASAP got upset over that and made an accusation.

The changeover was scheduled to take place on July 11th. Sneaking money out the back door, in a darkened office, with someone that our own security had been instructed not to let in the building, and then running to the bank with illegitimate paperwork, is collusion.

By the way, you really think two people in a very public forum will be so stupid to think they could get away with stealing money in their own names. Get real!

I didn't until they were seen trying to do exactly that.

What they did was improper, and illegal. As has been explained repeatedly, Hoffa does not have the legal authority to declare the local in trusteeship.

(Yeah, options_slave, I know: "Says you." Says the RLA, too.)

This accusation (no due process what-so-ever) was very irresponsible.

What's irresponsible is trusting Bill Moore with your local.

You have your money, so please leave us alone...

We tried to leave you alone. You swiped our checkbook while we were packing up, and gave us the finger, saying we were going to steal from you if you didn't do that! It was--and is--preposterous and insulting. You took a thug's word over a fellow pilot's. That's the really sad part.

...so we can get on with what we richly deserve- an industry standard contract- and my job back.

I genuinely hope you get it. The real tragedy here is that because IBT was given trusteeship if your local, your leadership does not have control anymore, and that's only going to hurt your progress and delay things further. Your pilot group has been robbed of its autonomy. I hope you can get out of trusteeship quickly; I mean that.

 

[netjetwife]

Slow, no rocks from me; only a call for fairness and common sense. Explaining that a breach of trust occurred which led to the Separation Agreement being violated is not making false accusations. It is keeping the pilotgroups informed. Ironically you have provided an example of unfair/untrue insinuations with your regrettable aspersion against NJASAP: "Your NJASAP is not as innocent as you think". I beg to differ and I certainly have the requisite insight to do so. You seem not to understand that NJASAP operated separately on the donations (above their dues) the NJ pilots had eagerly provided to accomplish their goal of becoming an independent, in-house Union/Association.

I stress again that the NJ pilots are the only party to the Agreement that honored it continuously. They worked hard to make sure the FltOps pilots were left in good shape and maintained strict adherence to the legal and open handling of the money they had amassed from their savings and were willingly and graciously leaving behind for the Options pilotgroup. IBT rules notwithstanding, the morally unfair irony of having to borrow your own money should be duly noted by all. Yet that is all the NJ pilots had asked for. The slightest hint that they were underhanded is grossly unfair and shamefully wrong because there is no basis for it. It should be clear to everyone that B M/IBT lied to good men who made the mistake of believing him. That in a nutshell is what happened, as Greg Rountree, then-acting 1108 President, explained--in a personal post.

As a final observation, it is both a relief and a pleasure to note the camaraderie which has flowed back and forth between the two pilotgroups in spite of what happened under Bill Moore's influence. I firmly believe that the majority of pilots place blame directly on the "greedy landlord" and not on the former room-mates. NJW

 

[B19 Flyer]

Slow, no rocks from me; only a call for fairness and common sense. Explaining that a breach of trust occurred which led to the Separation Agreement being violated is not making false accusations. It is keeping the pilotgroups informed. Ironically you have provided an example of unfair/untrue insinuations with your regrettable aspersion against NJASAP: "Your NJASAP is not as innocent as you think". I beg to differ and I certainly have the requisite insight to do so. You seem not to understand that NJASAP operated separately on the donations (above their dues) the NJ pilots had eagerly provided to accomplish their goal of becoming an independent, in-house Union/Association.

I stress again that the NJ pilots are the only party to the Agreement that honored it continuously. They worked hard to make sure the FltOps pilots were left in good shape and maintained strict adherence to the legal and open handling of the money they had amassed from their savings and were willingly and graciously leaving behind for the Options pilotgroup. IBT rules notwithstanding, the morally unfair irony of having to borrow your own money should be duly noted by all. Yet that is all the NJ pilots had asked for. The slightest hint that they were underhanded is grossly unfair and shamefully wrong because there is no basis for it. It should be clear to everyone that B M/IBT lied to good men who made the mistake of believing him. That in a nutshell is what happened, as Greg Rountree, then-acting 1108 President, explained--in a personal post.

As a final observation, it is both a relief and a pleasure to note the camaraderie which has flowed back and forth between the two pilotgroups in spite of what happened under Bill Moore's influence. I firmly believe that the majority of pilots place blame directly on the "greedy landlord" and not on the former room-mates. NJW

I understand your husband is a union leader, but I don't understand how he tolerates all this percieved "inside" information being posted by you on public message boards.

What you post can only be from his opinions as told to you as you are not an employee or personally involved in union activities.

As an example, as a non-employee how would you have an opinion about the line I highlighted in red? That opinion could have only come from your husband and regurgitated by you, therefore it's his opinion. If I was in his shoes, I certainly wouldn't want an opinion like that published on a public message board, whether it was true or not.

So, as you bash certain personalities and publically post certain opinions, it must be clear to all on this board that your words are a direct reflection of your husband's views.

Even if I agreed with you, (which would never happen) it would creep me out to no end that the wife of my union leadership publically posts information that could only come from her husband, therefore they must be his thoughts.

Are there not confidentiality rules of some type? I think it's a little strange that you post like you do considering you don't work at NJ and really shouldn't have any "inside" union information.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Maybe it's not for you to understand...

 

[slowjet]

Again, no one tried to steal YOUR money. If there was an attempt, that is up to law enforcement to investigate, arrest, and a court to convict- NOT YOU ON A PUBLIC FORUM.
Enough already. You're accusations are false and DONE!!!!!!

 

[steelersrule74]

well, i was content with the points I made and satisfied to let the thread work it's way down the list.

ahhh, but it seems that to some such as Slow - it was not crystal clear.

2 big issues here. The 2 executive board members acted rashly by attempting to divert 1108 funds from the authorized accounts into secret accounts the local president and sec/treas had no access to.

spin it how you want, that's stealing. If they had simply been transparent and established new accounts in cleveland for the purpose of conducting 1108 business with full knowledge of the board the deal would have been completed on the 11th and all would be well. the fact they had to move in secrecy shows the intent to mislead and in my opinion steal the dues so the IBT could back out of the agreement.

The real issue for me personally however is the motivation. Your current president and sec/treas for some reason thought the pilots at NJA were no longer trustworthy or someone you can do business with. They apparently thought they must 'protect' our dues money (and it was NJA dues money both in name and intent).

So let me make it very plain. I wish FLOPS pilots all the success in the world. I sincerely hope you get an industry leading contract. however, as long as MS, AM and Mr. Moore are in the picture that's the extent of my involvement in your fight. I will not work with or for individuals who think we are not trustworthy. Individuals who came to that conclusion based solely on the words of Mr. Moore and without a shred of evidence or behavior in the past to support it.

I will certainly not tell the pilots at FLOPS what they should or shouldn't do - but I hope I'm being clear about what I and my fellow pilots at NJA will do. I simply will not have any relationship with these men.

Good luck in your fight. Remember, it's all in the hands of FLOPS pilots now. share no credit for success with others and equally important, accept all blame if you fail........

 

[netjetwife]

Posts like yours, Steelerfan, just reinforce the theory (Tree's posted insight) that BM was determined to destroy the relationship between the two pilotgroups. While I recognize that it's a normal reaction to have, I hope that the show of camaraderie we have also seen here will prevail in the end. After all, the NJ pilots had their Fab 5 so we should know that growing pains are to be expected as a group moves from apathy to full participation from the pilots and their families.

General observation from a member of 2 boards: Perhaps the NJ folks see things more clearly because we have more info available to us (pilots and spouses) on the topic than the Options pilots do? I don't know what has been reported on their board, but I do note and appreciate that the former President of 1108 posted an explanation of the events. The current President has not posted here yet. It is a StrongUnion tradition to stay informed and form an opinion (spouses are encouraged to, as well) which is reflected on the NJ board (and sometimes here) for all to read. I hope that the Options pilots and spouses have that same access to communication because it is necessary for success. The SU leaders worked hard to develop a communication infrastructure with programs like the Do You Know. I hope for the sake of the Options group that they have something similar. An informed group of pilots, and spouses who support them, is an asset as important as money in the bank. Good luck to both sides! NJW

 

[slowjet]

I'll say it once more, it is not YOUR place to accuse and convict on a public forum without any formal investigation from a law enforcement official. Due process was completely ignored.
This issue is done.