August 1/2 NJA interviews

[Hawker dude]

Show Me the Money!!

 

[bosdrx]

Don't come here it's going to be a long long long time as an FO at 40,000 a year. Upgrades are at a snails pace and now captains are bidding from the small planes to other small planes slowing upgrades even more.

I've thought about this statement alot. Kind of a sh!tty thing to say to someone that is excited about getting a seniority number. It may be partially true, but it's probably safe to say that no one is making ONLY 40k after perdiem, ot, expenses, holiday pay (which I've only heard about, please correct me if im wrong) ect. Not to mention money saved on medical benefits... The obvious option for me would have been to go to Continental, but their pay/work rules/pbs are so abismal, that I hardly considered it. I did the math and found that I could live on 45 to 50k for the next 5 years. (Thank God my girl makes good $$!) However, I couldnt afford CAL first year pay even with a cheap mortgae and no kids. I imagine, with all the information out there, most people that applied have done the same analysis.

As far as uprades go, I think somone else said it. What will it be at DAL, CAL, NWA, FedEX, UPS ect? 5 to 10 years? So why tell people to stay away when some of these things will change? If it were me, I'd explain the issues to someone who was interested and have them make up their own mind... Besides, would new hires help YOUR seniority number?

Just .02 from a guy that just made the decision to join up regardless of these issues.

 

[popgoesbubble]

I don't think Allen was dicouraging anyone from coming here far from it but I thinks he was just telling guys to be prepared for upgrades to take longer then 5 years. remember guys I have over 2 years on property and I'm still 160 numbers from upgrade you guys will be 800 numbers behind me so do the math it's not gonna be 24 months like derinda or Linda are saying.

You did hit alot of good points thought 1st year pay is $50K on the 7/7 with with OT Holiday pay and per diem. compared to 1st year at Jetblue CO NWA or UAL. plus if you have a family no one can touch our medical benefits it's FREEE!!!!!!

This is a good job just dont be surprised when your SIC at year 4 and your upgrade is still 160 numbers and guys like me are Bouncing around chasing type ratings and telling you only I can fly owner legs and I keep all tips and AVtrip and Atlantic Bucks cuz by then I'll be a X captain and I'll have a small penis like CE750Driver by then.

 

[Hawker dude]

I've thought about this statement alot. Kind of a sh!tty thing to say to someone that is excited about getting a seniority number. It may be partially true, but it's probably safe to say that no one is making ONLY 40k after perdiem, ot, expenses, holiday pay (which I've only heard about, please correct me if im wrong) ect. Not to mention money saved on medical benefits... The obvious option for me would have been to go to Continental, but their pay/work rules/pbs are so abismal, that I hardly considered it. I did the math and found that I could live on 45 to 50k for the next 5 years. (Thank God my girl makes good $$!) However, I couldnt afford CAL first year pay even with a cheap mortgae and no kids. I imagine, with all the information out there, most people that applied have done the same analysis.

As far as uprades go, I think somone else said it. What will it be at DAL, CAL, NWA, FedEX, UPS ect? 5 to 10 years? So why tell people to stay away when some of these things will change? If it were me, I'd explain the issues to someone who was interested and have them make up their own mind... Besides, would new hires help YOUR seniority number?

Just .02 from a guy that just made the decision to join up regardless of these issues.

what you're saying is the whole problem...

You're not married, no kids, and your woman makes the money.

for your info Marry, 40 to 50K ain't much for people with kids and a house and a car payment and living in todays economy sucks.

So hike your skirt up and demand more money Sally.

 

[bosdrx]

what you're saying is the whole problem...

You're not married, no kids, and your woman makes the money.

for your info Marry, 40 to 50K ain't much for people with kids and a house and a car payment and living in todays economy sucks.

So hike your skirt up and demand more money Sally.

I didn't mean to imply that I thought FO wages were ok, I'm all about more money for FO's. I was just saying that it works ok (not perfect) for me, and hopefully other guys that are considering coming to NJA had thought about the same things. First year pay is still way more than CAL and some of the other majors, especially with some of the other benefits. But obviously it doesn't pay much to be a long term FO. Hopefully things will change for the better. I'm just not on the property yet and don't wanna put my foot completely in my mouth

 

[Dr Pepper]

I think most are content with 1st year pay. It is years 2-5 as an FO that are distressing. Others make it work too. They commute from more affordable locations.

 

[Allen1]

PIC gettin PIC bids... I dont completely understand. If a PIC in the Ultra takes a PIC slot in the Hawker doesnt that open up a slot in the Ultra? I think this was covered on another thread but I think I missed something...

Yes it does but it also slow down the process a lot. It might take awhile based on when there is a training slot open at flight safety. If there are no slim slots available its just keeps clogging the system more and more for every pic that swaps to another pic spot.

 

[RP170]

And now back to the orginal topic:

Got the call this afternoon. 10/8 class for the Ultra in PBI.

Application was accepted 4/25 and interview was on 8/2 for those of you who are thinking of applying. Had 5 letters of rec from NJA guys.

What do you guys that have flown the Ultra think about it?

 

[bosdrx]

And now back to the orginal topic:

Got the call this afternoon. 10/8 class for the Ultra in PBI.

Application was accepted 4/25 and interview was on 8/2 for those of you who are thinking of applying. Had 5 letters of rec from NJA guys.

What do you guys that have flown the Ultra think about it?

Hey thats great! I'm in the 10/08 class for the X in TEB. See ya there.

 

[Ultra Grump]

What do you guys that have flown the Ultra think about it?

Piece of crap. But for you? It's great!