August 1/2 NJA interviews

[RP170]

Has anyone gotten the call for their aircraft assignment and class dates yet that interviewed on August 1/2? I did e-mail pilot recruitment and they said I would receive an offer and to expect a call either last week or possibly as late as this week. Just curious as if anyone had received the calls yet?

 

[Allen1]

Don't come here it's going to be a long long long time as an FO at 40,000 a year. Upgrades are at a snails pace and now captains are bidding from the small planes to other small planes slowing upgrades even more.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Don't come here it's going to be a long long long time as an FO at 40,000 a year. Upgrades are at a snails pace and now captains are bidding from the small planes to other small planes slowing upgrades even more.

Hopefully IBB will produce something that helps to ease the sting of the long wait for upgrades along with the ill-advised dumb-a-cile program.

If not, you can certainly leave at any time because there's no training contract as of November 2005.

 

[Jafo73]

Don't come here it's going to be a long long long time as an FO at 40,000 a year. Upgrades are at a snails pace and now captains are bidding from the small planes to other small planes slowing upgrades even more.

And what does this have to do with the guys question about if anyone from his interview has heard anything? The payscale for FO's at year 5 ain't the greatest, but it's published and everyone should make sure they can live with for that long.

 

[Outta Here]

The crappy FO pay is in the union's crosshairs

 

[popgoesbubble]

Hey Allen's just stating the facts guys anyone that does come here is looking at least a 5 year Upgrade. Sorry but thats the facts I wish it wearn't true but until we can stop guys that are afraid to upgrade into anything bigger then a Cat 1 plane here its gonna be awhile.

Just look back at the first encore + bid award the guy that was 575 on the list was originally awarded a 800xpc but declinded it to go to the encore+ from the Ultra?

The company and the Union need to go to 1 Pay scale here to stop all this movement and also put language in that if you move from Cat 1 to Cat 1 or down bid from Cat 3 or 2 to Cat 1 it's a 5 year seat Lock.

Were lossing alot of money at Netjets due to high training cost because a select few have made a living buy chasing new airplane types on property because they know they will never fly until we get enough planes for that fleet type. And looking at the latest bid I'm sure those BE 400xp captains that bid the encore+ are in that group judging by there seniority numbers here.

But back to the real question Netjets is still a great company to work for compaired to a Regional airline. but be prepared to not upgrade for awhile not as long at Delta, UAL or Alaska which is + 10 Years. However, still looking at Delta looks like there doing alot of Hiring into the 75/76 and 2nd year pay is $77 hr at 85 hours a month thats about $85K at second year compared to 60 -65K here. but we don't have to commute or have crash pads, airport cars and we pocket all are per diem as we get free crew meals. But as stated IBT and the company have to address FO pay rates here otherwise were gonna lose guys to the majors.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Hey Allen's just stating the facts guys anyone that does come here is looking at least a 5 year Upgrade. Sorry but thats the facts I wish it wearn't true but until we can stop guys that are afraid to upgrade into anything bigger then a Cat 1 plane here its gonna be awhile.

Just look back at the first encore + bid award the guy that was 575 on the list was originally awarded a 800xpc but declinded it to go to the encore+ from the Ultra?

The company and the Union need to go to 1 Pay scale here to stop all this movement and also put language in that if you move from Cat 1 to Cat 1 or down bid from Cat 3 or 2 to Cat 1 it's a 5 year seat Lock.

Were lossing alot of money at Netjets due to high training cost because a select few have made a living buy chasing new airplane types on property because they know they will never fly until we get enough planes for that fleet type. And looking at the latest bid I'm sure those BE 400xp captains that bid the encore+ are in that group judging by there seniority numbers here.

Wow - that's a lot of assumption on your part. From knowing a few of the guys that are bidding from one Class 1 airframe to another Class 1 plane, some of them simply prefer the sort of flying the non-APU fleet does. Not everyone is chasing type ratings or trying to "hide out" in training.

As for going to one payscale, that's a rumor with IBB: at least, combining Classes 1-3 into a single grouping is the rumor I've heard. But that still won't stop some of those darn captains from switching fleets. Some people just want an APU and/or have the ability to fly a little more outside of the conntinental USA.

Be careful painting people with a broad brush. There are a lot of reasons why people make the fleet choices that they do and that is a seniority right in our contract.

And trust me, I'm trying to move out of my current fleet so hopefully someone can upgrade in the near future.

 

[CE750Driver]

Hey Allen's just stating the facts guys anyone that does come here is looking at least a 5 year Upgrade. Sorry but thats the facts I wish it wearn't true but until we can stop guys that are afraid to upgrade into anything bigger then a Cat 1 plane here its gonna be awhile.

Just look back at the first encore + bid award the guy that was 575 on the list was originally awarded a 800xpc but declinded it to go to the encore+ from the Ultra?

The company and the Union need to go to 1 Pay scale here to stop all this movement and also put language in that if you move from Cat 1 to Cat 1 or down bid from Cat 3 or 2 to Cat 1 it's a 5 year seat Lock.

Were lossing alot of money at Netjets due to high training cost because a select few have made a living buy chasing new airplane types on property because they know they will never fly until we get enough planes for that fleet type. And looking at the latest bid I'm sure those BE 400xp captains that bid the encore+ are in that group judging by there seniority numbers here.

Yeah, Im sure your privy to how much money Netjets is "lossing". Do you own Netjets? Cause when you say Were "lossing" money, which you meant we're, you imply that it is taking money out of your pocket. How is that happening? I know with that grammar, I'm not talking with Warren Buffet.

By the way, Im not one of those guys making a living "buy" chasing type ratings.

 

[popgoesbubble]

Wow thats good to hear CE750 Driver do you also put your arm around your FO's seat and tell him that " Your not Gay but your Boy Friend Is?"

 

[Allen1]

Wow - that's a lot of assumption on your part. From knowing a few of the guys that are bidding from one Class 1 airframe to another Class 1 plane, some of them simply prefer the sort of flying the non-APU fleet does. Not everyone is chasing type ratings or trying to "hide out" in training.

As for going to one payscale, that's a rumor with IBB: at least, combining Classes 1-3 into a single grouping is the rumor I've heard. But that still won't stop some of those darn captains from switching fleets. Some people just want an APU and/or have the ability to fly a little more outside of the conntinental USA.

Be careful painting people with a broad brush. There are a lot of reasons why people make the fleet choices that they do and that is a seniority right in our contract.

And trust me, I'm trying to move out of my current fleet so hopefully someone can upgrade in the near future.

Yep you're right it is their seniority right to do so. It's my right to get pissed at them for slowing my upgrade also. I don't have a problem with guys bidding from the ultra to a larger aircraft or bidding any larger aircraft for that matter. I do have a problem with them bidding from the ultra to another newer improved ultra with a different name and slowing down my income progression, but that's their right. I hope they get enough encore pluses on property to work their a***s for 18 days every month though. It does cost the company more money when guys keep swithcing fleets which reduces profits, and thats the truth no matter what you say. I wish the company would try to get something in the IBB to prevent guys from moving to the ultra to encore, encore plus, or 400xp and only to allow you to move up to the excel or higher once you're a captain in one of those airplanes.