Alaska management verbally announces furloughs for

[turbodriver]

RedRum,
I respectfully disagree. The current >60's knew the rules when they signed up (retire @ 60), but when their time came, they convinced Prater to extend it to 65. I'm not saying that they 'owe me' a career, but they shouldn't hide behind the legislation. They wanted more and Prater/Congress capitulated.

My guess is a few Early Out's, quite a few LOA's (50) and 40 furloughs. I'm in the bottom 75. ANC here I come...

You'll like it here.

The chugach got a good dusting today.....

 

[turbodriver]

Yeah, I'm getting too old for a lot of ups & downs.
You're lucky that you don't have to deal with flying
SE trips.

It won't matter in 4-5 months anyways. I've
already updated my resume. I'll probably spend
part of today updating my logbook.

Once they show me the door, I'm probably never
coming back!!!!

Screw this place!!!!!!!!!

I ain't coming back either

 

[Green Banana]

So where you going? I hear you can take your pick of any airline these days.

 

[turbodriver]

So where you going? I hear you can take your pick of any airline these days.

Away from here. You'd be surprised. There's an entirely different world out there outside of Billy's version of

"Alaska's world"

 

[Old School 737]

20-30 letters go out the 1st of Oct for Nov 1st layoff. After that they don't know how many more, if any, or when the next round would be. All based on how many leaves and early out guys , and the economy, Etc. Etc. This from the D.O. Yesterday.

 

[eskimopilot]

This from the D.O. Yesterday.

Yesterday would be very old news in "Alaskas World."

 

[Baze]

If 20-30 letters go out on October 1, then I expect there to be more to come November 1. Furloughing only 20-30 pilots would be just plain stupid.

MEC and management have not yet seriously taken steps to mitigate furloughs. It'll be interesting to see what happens with the early out applications and how many of them actually leave.

20-30 letters go out the 1st of Oct for Nov 1st layoff. After that they don't know how many more, if any, or when the next round would be. All based on how many leaves and early out guys , and the economy, Etc. Etc. This from the D.O. Yesterday.

 

[Green Banana]

20-30 letters go out the 1st of Oct for Nov 1st layoff. After that they don't know how many more, if any, or when the next round would be. All based on how many leaves and early out guys , and the economy, Etc. Etc. This from the D.O. Yesterday.

It will be interesting to see if they actually send out the letters on that date. They have not had a meeting with the union to discuss reduction of block lines as required by the contract. Sec 23.A.1

 

[sf340flyer]

Hey Green-Yes, the MEC and management have met several times to discuss section 23. They shared this in the Negiotators Notepad but they are not close to an agreement. Management can send out letters stating the intent to furlough on the 1st, and still work out a mitigation plan. This all needs to be done by the posting of the Novemeber bids. The MEC still hasn't been given an official furlough number.

 

[Old School 737]

Forgot to add lines numbers will go down in SEA and stay the same in ANC. Average line will be about 77hrs. That seems to be where the Company is going to go down to since it keeps the lowest line above 75.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Furloughing only 20-30 pilots would be just plain stupid.

Not if your major goal in the whole equation is to "take hostages" and scare the rank and file into ANOTHER concessionary contract.

Its the ATA/Aircon/Ford and Harrison playbook in action.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Forgot to add lines numbers will go down in SEA and stay the same in ANC. Average line will be about 77hrs. That seems to be where the Company is going to go down to since it keeps the lowest line above 75.

Why is that? My line was bottom 'o the barrel and it had almost 83 hours!

Not enough people to do Arctic and ETOPS and have the lines be ~75?

 

[Old School 737]

Just reporting the news from him. He said they are cutting back on more flying but that ANC crews would be the same. SEA was going to slow down the most.

 

[Chief Pilot]

Not if your major goal in the whole equation is to "take hostages" and scare the rank and file into ANOTHER concessionary contract.

Its the ATA/Aircon/Ford and Harrison playbook in action.

Agreed,

They'll definately furlough, there is no question. The 30, 40, 70, 100 will merely be hostages to a company that wants a "cost neuter (I mean neutral)" contract. In other words, concessionary. This is the same company that touts its outstanding position to weather the current economic situation and grow in profitability to the folks on the Calyon conference call.

It's funny how GS continued to up the ante when nobody blinked at the initial numbers. As far as the "Early Outs" and LOA, I don't see a significant group of takers. First off, the LOA is crap if you don't get longevity and the EO is a huge waste of money. The only takers of the EO's are folks that were going to leave anyhow or were on the fence (I'd say 15 to 20). Basically the company is spending the 2 million or so to take the old guys out of the equation who would turn in their notice at the onset of a strike and leave the company shorthanded later. Stategically speaking I guess it's not a huge waste of money then, except for the fact that it really isn't meant to mitigate furloughs and young guys are still going to be on the street.

The LOA would only be good for the folks that know they are going to get furloughed. At least it pays for 6 months of COBRA....otherwise it's crap.

For the record, I'm in the 165 (or 190 now), and I second the sentiment that we shouldn't give up a damn thing on our next contract. I'd rather return to a better job, than have 5 more years under concessions.

Ok rant over.

 

[QCappy]

The LOA would only be good for the folks that know they are going to get furloughed. At least it pays for 6 months of COBRA....otherwise it's crap.

Actually once your number comes up for furlough you would not get medical paid for.