• NC Software is proud to announce the release of APDL - Airline Pilot Logbook version 10.0. Click here to view APDL on the Apple App store and install now.

Alaska management verbally announces furloughs for

kingair1

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 19, 2004
Posts
79
Total Time
Lot's
Alaska management announces up to 165 furloughs

Management Verbally Notifies ALPA of Expected Furloughs

Your Association met this afternoon with management at their request. Management had requested the meeting to provide an overview of their planned capacity reduction for 2009 of 11%, and how they envision it will impact the pilot group. Although they provided nothing in writing, management verbally informed your Union leadership at this meeting that they anticipate furloughing up to 165 pilots between November 1 and February 1.

Your MEC continues to talk with management about the possibility of implementing retirement incentives and extended leaves of absence. Management indicated the number of necessary furloughs could change based on the number of pilots who elect to take retirement incentives and/or extended leaves of absence if they were offered.

Your representatives have been meeting for about a month, since management first stated that furloughs may be necessary, in an effort to find ways to best protect the interests of this pilot group. At the meeting with management today, your representatives asked a number of questions, and requested that management provide further analysis on ways to mitigate the furlough numbers,
 
Last edited:

QCappy

Left Coaster
Joined
Jan 9, 2005
Posts
521
Total Time
9000+
As someone who is one on that list, I say furlough me. I will not sign a sub-par contract just to avoid furlough. These crooks have over $1 Billion in the bank and think that furloughing us is the answer. I will not be strong-armed into a contract that makes this job even less valuable than it has already become.:angryfire
 

Going2Baja

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 2, 2005
Posts
1,258
Total Time
10k+
As someone who is one on that list, I say furlough me. I will not sign a sub-par contract just to avoid furlough. These crooks have over $1 Billion in the bank and think that furloughing us is the answer. I will not be strong-armed into a contract that makes this job even less valuable than it has already become.:angryfire

Ditto - This will be my 5th airline furlough in 19 years....Can you picture my smile??? :nuts::angryfire:puke:

Baja.
 

Mamma

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 29, 2005
Posts
2,802
Total Time
+1
I have heard management is after the old guys. True, they want to trim some newbies off to correspond with a reduction in capacity, but they want to get as many of the age 60+ guys off the books and by announcing furloughs with monetary incentives for early retires ....$100K lump sum, they could shed the high end weight. I was unfortunate enough to go to the "Road Show" a few days ago as I was in 737 training and Saretsky and Beck were there. Saretsky constantly alluded to furloughs and the number would depend on how many guys they could get to retire earlier. Heck, three or four newbies cost as much as an old fart when you throw everything in. But, I would not place any credibility on 165 guys. That is just a scare tactic to put pressure on the old guys to move on.
 

SMOE

One Lucky Bastard
Joined
Dec 17, 2003
Posts
278
Total Time
10000+
I have heard management is after the old guys. True, they want to trim some newbies off to correspond with a reduction in capacity, but they want to get as many of the age 60+ guys off the books and by announcing furloughs with monetary incentives for early retires ....$100K lump sum, they could shed the high end weight. I was unfortunate enough to go to the "Road Show" a few days ago as I was in 737 training and Saretsky and Beck were there. Saretsky constantly alluded to furloughs and the number would depend on how many guys they could get to retire earlier. Heck, three or four newbies cost as much as an old fart when you throw everything in. But, I would not place any credibility on 165 guys. That is just a scare tactic to put pressure on the old guys to move on.

Sounds like they took a page from CAL's half-a$$ed play book.
 

Baze

Kama'aina
Joined
Oct 30, 2004
Posts
445
Total Time
11000+
Seconded! I'm in the bottom 165 as well and you echoed my thoughts exactly.

As someone who is one on that list, I say furlough me. I will not sign a sub-par contract just to avoid furlough. These crooks have over $1 Billion in the bank and think that furloughing us is the answer. I will not be strong-armed into a contract that makes this job even less valuable than it has already become.:angryfire
 

turbodriver

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 19, 2005
Posts
396
Total Time
enough
Looking at the seniority list.....

who's going to fly to Hawaii (not the mention all the new Hawaii flying starting this fall) with more than half of the current F/O's up in ANC furloughed? Unless they're sending all arctic flying to SEA.....

I hear that the MD guys are jamming up the training dept until at least Feb. so how do you back train ANC Capt's to the right seat to cover Hawaii?

I wasn't here when they actually sent out the letters on X-mas eve but wasn't the union in negotiations then as well?
 
Last edited:

Sedona16

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 5, 2001
Posts
564
Total Time
10,400
Ive got a friend over there hired around sep 1996. Hes a jr captain right now out of SEA. Would he be safe from being bumped back to F.O. with 165 furloughs?
 

ImbracableCrunk

Unregistered Un-User
Joined
Feb 5, 2003
Posts
1,481
Total Time
6AM
Coming from a bottom of the pack:

I just flew with a guy who said he figures he's gonna go until 62. He said he had a lot of work on his second house he wanted to get done.

He's lucky I'm not the Incredible Hulk.

Gee, maybe he'll let me live there until it's finished. That would be swell - after I lose my house.
 

airmasn

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 24, 2005
Posts
124
Total Time
6800
I looked over the new published seniority list that came out this month, it looks as though about 1 in 3 are actually leaving when they turn 60, the other 2/3s sticking around.
 

Bringupthebird

Grumpy? Who-Me?
Joined
Feb 7, 2006
Posts
2,182
Total Time
16120
Why do so many pilots demand the charity of senior pilots? "Lose your job so I can keep mine". "My lifestyle is more important than yours". "Perpetuate a ridiculous retirement rule so that I can be insulated from the effects of mismanagement or a poor economy".

Defending your own self absorption by pointing out another's is indefensible.
 

Hamburger

*************************
Joined
Jan 13, 2006
Posts
1,158
Total Time
5000+
Why do so many pilots demand the charity of senior pilots? "Lose your job so I can keep mine". "My lifestyle is more important than yours". "Perpetuate a ridiculous retirement rule so that I can be insulated from the effects of mismanagement or a poor economy".

Defending your own self absorption by pointing out another's is indefensible.

Maybe if you hear it one more time it will sink in.:rolleyes:

There is nothing greedy or self-absorbed about wanting the EXACT SAME career advancement opportunities that you have enjoyed. Nothing more, nothing less. Just the same. Equality is the opposite of greed.
Greed and self absorption lie in taking the EXACT SAME opportunities you've enjoyed from your children for your own personal gain.

Defending your own self-absorption by throwing a guilt trip on the guy that's going to lose his house so you can buy more Viagra is what is indefensible here.

I do wish you the best of luck in your apparent dream of dying at work, though.
 
Last edited:

PBRstreetgang

Registered Abuser
Joined
Mar 4, 2002
Posts
3,241
Total Time
Total
Maybe if you hear it one more time it will sink in.:rolleyes:

There is nothing greedy or self-absorbed about wanting the EXACT SAME career advancement opportunities that you have enjoyed. Nothing more, nothing less. Just the same. Equality is the opposite of greed.
Greed and self absorption lie in taking the EXACT SAME opportunities you've enjoyed from your children for your own personal gain.

Defending your own self-absorption by throwing a guilt trip on the guy that's going to lose his house so you can buy more Viagra is what is indefensible here.

I do wish you the best of luck in your apparent dream of dying at work, though.
For the record, I am no where near 60. The whining about age 65 is more pathetic than the dork who serial porks F/As. All you idiots who voted for GWB, can thank yourselves for that which you are reaping. Get over the retirement thing, if you are less than 35, you have at least 3-4 furloughs from as many different companies, you will be furloughed for the second time before the age 65 guys retire. You all "love to fly" and the airlines know it, and will continue to cornhole you for that "love". You don't see garbage men complaining of increased retirement ages or SGTS(shiny garbage truck syndrome). Face it you are your own worst enemy.
Good luck, ya all are gonna need it!
PBR
P.S. Those garbage men will have more career earnings than all you career F/Os.
 
Last edited:

Baze

Kama'aina
Joined
Oct 30, 2004
Posts
445
Total Time
11000+
Why should they? Us junior guys just need to worry about ourselves. We cannot rely on the real senior guys to save the day for us.

Age 65 happened and it's water under the bridge. I don't begrudge any of them for wanting to stay a few more years. It's their choice.

You would probably stay around a couple more years if you were about 60 years old when the law changed.

If you're a junior pilot at any airline and haven't been looking for or working a side job, no better time than now. Put your other talents & experience to use.

You don't have to fly airplanes to put food on the table.

I wish all of us the best of luck.

Time for the over age 60 folks to step up to the plate?
 
Top