Alaska management verbally announces furloughs for

[kingair1]

Alaska management announces up to 165 furloughs

Management Verbally Notifies ALPA of Expected Furloughs

Your Association met this afternoon with management at their request. Management had requested the meeting to provide an overview of their planned capacity reduction for 2009 of 11%, and how they envision it will impact the pilot group. Although they provided nothing in writing, management verbally informed your Union leadership at this meeting that they anticipate furloughing up to 165 pilots between November 1 and February 1.

Your MEC continues to talk with management about the possibility of implementing retirement incentives and extended leaves of absence. Management indicated the number of necessary furloughs could change based on the number of pilots who elect to take retirement incentives and/or extended leaves of absence if they were offered.

Your representatives have been meeting for about a month, since management first stated that furloughs may be necessary, in an effort to find ways to best protect the interests of this pilot group. At the meeting with management today, your representatives asked a number of questions, and requested that management provide further analysis on ways to mitigate the furlough numbers,

 

[QCappy]

As someone who is one on that list, I say furlough me. I will not sign a sub-par contract just to avoid furlough. These crooks have over $1 Billion in the bank and think that furloughing us is the answer. I will not be strong-armed into a contract that makes this job even less valuable than it has already become.:angryfire

 

[Going2Baja]

As someone who is one on that list, I say furlough me. I will not sign a sub-par contract just to avoid furlough. These crooks have over $1 Billion in the bank and think that furloughing us is the answer. I will not be strong-armed into a contract that makes this job even less valuable than it has already become.:angryfire

Ditto - This will be my 5th airline furlough in 19 years....Can you picture my smile??? :nuts::angryfireuke:

Baja.

 

['72Gremlin]

Time for the over age 60 folks to step up to the plate?

 

[Mamma]

I have heard management is after the old guys. True, they want to trim some newbies off to correspond with a reduction in capacity, but they want to get as many of the age 60+ guys off the books and by announcing furloughs with monetary incentives for early retires ....$100K lump sum, they could shed the high end weight. I was unfortunate enough to go to the "Road Show" a few days ago as I was in 737 training and Saretsky and Beck were there. Saretsky constantly alluded to furloughs and the number would depend on how many guys they could get to retire earlier. Heck, three or four newbies cost as much as an old fart when you throw everything in. But, I would not place any credibility on 165 guys. That is just a scare tactic to put pressure on the old guys to move on.

 

[Quimby]

Time for the over age 60 folks to step up to the plate?

good one! :laugh:

 

[SMOE]

I have heard management is after the old guys. True, they want to trim some newbies off to correspond with a reduction in capacity, but they want to get as many of the age 60+ guys off the books and by announcing furloughs with monetary incentives for early retires ....$100K lump sum, they could shed the high end weight. I was unfortunate enough to go to the "Road Show" a few days ago as I was in 737 training and Saretsky and Beck were there. Saretsky constantly alluded to furloughs and the number would depend on how many guys they could get to retire earlier. Heck, three or four newbies cost as much as an old fart when you throw everything in. But, I would not place any credibility on 165 guys. That is just a scare tactic to put pressure on the old guys to move on.

Sounds like they took a page from CAL's half-a$$ed play book.

 

[QCappy]

Time for the over age 60 folks to step up to the plate?

More like--get out of the trough.

 

[BID]

Sounds like they took a page from CAL's half-a$$ed play book.

that is what I was thinking!

 

[Baze]

Seconded! I'm in the bottom 165 as well and you echoed my thoughts exactly.

As someone who is one on that list, I say furlough me. I will not sign a sub-par contract just to avoid furlough. These crooks have over $1 Billion in the bank and think that furloughing us is the answer. I will not be strong-armed into a contract that makes this job even less valuable than it has already become.:angryfire

 

[turbodriver]

Looking at the seniority list.....

who's going to fly to Hawaii (not the mention all the new Hawaii flying starting this fall) with more than half of the current F/O's up in ANC furloughed? Unless they're sending all arctic flying to SEA.....

I hear that the MD guys are jamming up the training dept until at least Feb. so how do you back train ANC Capt's to the right seat to cover Hawaii?

I wasn't here when they actually sent out the letters on X-mas eve but wasn't the union in negotiations then as well?

 

[Sedona16]

Ive got a friend over there hired around sep 1996. Hes a jr captain right now out of SEA. Would he be safe from being bumped back to F.O. with 165 furloughs?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Coming from a bottom of the pack:

I just flew with a guy who said he figures he's gonna go until 62. He said he had a lot of work on his second house he wanted to get done.

He's lucky I'm not the Incredible Hulk.

Gee, maybe he'll let me live there until it's finished. That would be swell - after I lose my house.

 

[airmasn]

I looked over the new published seniority list that came out this month, it looks as though about 1 in 3 are actually leaving when they turn 60, the other 2/3s sticking around.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Why do so many pilots demand the charity of senior pilots? "Lose your job so I can keep mine". "My lifestyle is more important than yours". "Perpetuate a ridiculous retirement rule so that I can be insulated from the effects of mismanagement or a poor economy".

Defending your own self absorption by pointing out another's is indefensible.

 

[Whodat]

What would the hire date be of the guy who is 165 up the list?

 

[Old School 737]

About the middle of 06 give or take a month.

What would the hire date be of the guy who is 165 up the list?

 

[Hamburger]

Why do so many pilots demand the charity of senior pilots? "Lose your job so I can keep mine". "My lifestyle is more important than yours". "Perpetuate a ridiculous retirement rule so that I can be insulated from the effects of mismanagement or a poor economy".

Defending your own self absorption by pointing out another's is indefensible.

Maybe if you hear it one more time it will sink in.

There is nothing greedy or self-absorbed about wanting the EXACT SAME career advancement opportunities that you have enjoyed. Nothing more, nothing less. Just the same. Equality is the opposite of greed.
Greed and self absorption lie in taking the EXACT SAME opportunities you've enjoyed from your children for your own personal gain.

Defending your own self-absorption by throwing a guilt trip on the guy that's going to lose his house so you can buy more Viagra is what is indefensible here.

I do wish you the best of luck in your apparent dream of dying at work, though.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Maybe if you hear it one more time it will sink in.

There is nothing greedy or self-absorbed about wanting the EXACT SAME career advancement opportunities that you have enjoyed. Nothing more, nothing less. Just the same. Equality is the opposite of greed.
Greed and self absorption lie in taking the EXACT SAME opportunities you've enjoyed from your children for your own personal gain.

Defending your own self-absorption by throwing a guilt trip on the guy that's going to lose his house so you can buy more Viagra is what is indefensible here.

I do wish you the best of luck in your apparent dream of dying at work, though.

For the record, I am no where near 60. The whining about age 65 is more pathetic than the dork who serial porks F/As. All you idiots who voted for GWB, can thank yourselves for that which you are reaping. Get over the retirement thing, if you are less than 35, you have at least 3-4 furloughs from as many different companies, you will be furloughed for the second time before the age 65 guys retire. You all "love to fly" and the airlines know it, and will continue to cornhole you for that "love". You don't see garbage men complaining of increased retirement ages or SGTS(shiny garbage truck syndrome). Face it you are your own worst enemy.
Good luck, ya all are gonna need it!
PBR
P.S. Those garbage men will have more career earnings than all you career F/Os.

 

[Baze]

Why should they? Us junior guys just need to worry about ourselves. We cannot rely on the real senior guys to save the day for us.

Age 65 happened and it's water under the bridge. I don't begrudge any of them for wanting to stay a few more years. It's their choice.

You would probably stay around a couple more years if you were about 60 years old when the law changed.

If you're a junior pilot at any airline and haven't been looking for or working a side job, no better time than now. Put your other talents & experience to use.

You don't have to fly airplanes to put food on the table.

I wish all of us the best of luck.

Time for the over age 60 folks to step up to the plate?

 

[banger]

Plus all the 30 year old guys today will be flying until 65 and saying "well I had to because senior guys did it to me"

 

[QCappy]

Why do so many pilots demand the charity of senior pilots? "Lose your job so I can keep mine". "My lifestyle is more important than yours". "Perpetuate a ridiculous retirement rule so that I can be insulated from the effects of mismanagement or a poor economy".

Defending your own self absorption by pointing out another's is indefensible.

What you may not understand in the case of Alaska is that anyone over sixty can take their full pension based on their pay before the Kasher award and go live a healthy retirement.

I understand the situation at other airlines whose pensions were ripped away. And I don't have the same attitude towards the over 60 groups at United, etc. But if the over 60 group at Alaska didn't plan for their retirement at sixty with a full pension, then they are a pretty sad bunch.

This has nothing to do with me being self-absorbed, but me feeding my family. When a guy had 30 years to plan his retirement and can still get his full pension I think it's time for him to fly off into the sunset.

 

[800Dog]

As someone who is one on that list, I say furlough me. I will not sign a sub-par contract just to avoid furlough. These crooks have over $1 Billion in the bank and think that furloughing us is the answer. I will not be strong-armed into a contract that makes this job even less valuable than it has already become.:angryfire

I wish we had more guys like you on our list at Delta. Best of luck!

 

[Hamburger]

Yawn. If you don't agree with someone, they are a "pathetic whiner". If you want to complain and bitch about George Bush, CEO's stealing pensions, GoJets, PFT, Mesa, Picking up open time, PCL, Scabs, Freedom...........it is all of sudden important and by no means something you should 'just get over'. Blah, Blah, Blah............

You've already said all we need to hear on the topic.

I am pretty good at telling whiny F/Os to STFU and swing the gear when told. Those hundreds of thousands will go to me, I want to have hot and cold running teenage hookers on the 60ft sailboat, and if the only way to get them is at the expense of a jack hole like you, I won't even blink twice. I am thinking the hookers will be all blonde with mid size cans, I want them to be able to work the rigging, without worrying about those cans getting rope burns. Oh yeah, I don't spell so good since I have been out of college for a long time, and just don't care, in fact if it annoys you so much the better!
Double dipping into the teenage hooker pool, from 60-65, YEAH! At your expense!

By the way, you're still this guy:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30572


I do agree with you on some things, though.

Removal of all 4 valve stem cores would start as a warning, followed by a good ole tire slash as a second warning would speak volumes to the turd eaters who would step on the backs of their own.
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Yawn. If you don't agree with someone, they are a "pathetic whiner". If you want to complain and bitch about George Bush, CEO's stealing pensions, GoJets, PFT, Mesa, Picking up open time, PCL, Scabs, Freedom...........it is all of sudden important and by no means something you should 'just get over'. Blah, Blah, Blah............

You've already said all we need to hear on the topic.

By the way, you're still this guy:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30572


I do agree with you on some things, though.

Ya gotta admit, the bit about mid size cans was spot on. The only rope burns should come from the S&M gear, not the sailboat, subtle but significant difference! If I gotta buy boner pills from your pay, oh well, life is tough, get over it. Hot and cold teen hotties on a boat, doesn't get any better than that!
PBR

 

[igneousy2]

This is a similar situation to the MD80 retirements...all the senior management types were saying that their was enough training slots so that none of us would be sitting at home when the airplanes went away...Look what happended.

This time...senior management is saying we want 165 guys gone but where are they going to come from? Of the 165 probably 80 are ANC/FO's...who's gonna do your Hawaii flying? The school house is at 110% capacity now...There is no way anybody hits the street until next Spring at the earliest...or we stop flying to Hawaii...but that's not gonna happen.

Later

 

[Hamburger]

Ya gotta admit, the bit about mid size cans was spot on.

No argument there.

I'll get over it the second you get over giving Scabs, PFT'ers, CEOs, Hulas, Gojets, (ex Waterski myself) and the rest a hard time.

They're all in the same boat as far as I'm concerned. I truly don't see how you can have such a problem jumping seniority and no problem whatsoever with helping yourself to another five years of it. But hey, it seems you've settled in as a lifer regional Captain and simply don't care because it isn't affecting you personally. Good for you, you got yours. Everyone else can suck it while you laugh. You sound just like Sanjay.

Life is indeed tough, and people screwing you is part of it. Letting those people tell themselves that they didn't screw you and pretending that it didn't matter just means that they turned you out.

 

[Mamma]

Ya gotta admit, the bit about mid size cans was spot on. The only rope burns should come from the S&M gear, not the sailboat, subtle but significant difference! If I gotta buy boner pills from your pay, oh well, life is tough, get over it. Hot and cold teen hotties on a boat, doesn't get any better than that!
PBR

I think the word "pedophile" might apply here Mr Teen lover. Actually, does anyone remember that Fed Ex guy Culpepper who had his own site with pics of the hookers? I think we might have found him. Who says "hot and cold teen hotties" anyway? You sound as queer as a football bat. Tool.

 

[Cardinal]

Eight-"teen" is legal almost everywhere.

 

[Snapshot]

Picking up VSA stops today. Non negotiable.

RESERVE PILOTS:
If you call in sick after you've worked the Min Guarantee of 75 hours, you will not be charged sick time. No penalty. Just tell them that the thought of being put on the street while every analyst agrees that we are second to (or better positioned than) Southwest, with a $BILLION in the bank makes you sick to your stomach.

LINE HOLDERS:
Every minute you work over the min guarantee of 75 hours is a minute that the guy Bill is threatening to cut should be doing the flying. Losing that seven hours of pay sucks, but the guy you flew with last week stands to lose 75 hours of pay. The time to MAN UP and act like a Union is NOW.

If the company can cover the schedule with guys working more than the absolute minimum, they will. If you are one of those guys, you are helping Bill take your fellow pilot's paycheck and turn it into a bonus for himself.

I also agree wholeheartedly to not let my being furloughed be used to leverage anyone to take it in the ass on the contract. My getting clipped won't mean a thing if there isn't a decent job to come back to.