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Soon, they'll say something like 250 furloughs AFTER taking steps to mitigate... 190 letters will go out and get pulled, postponed, etc.
 
Old School 737 said:
As of now, the early out program has generated interest from 132 pilots. The next step is to finalize paperwork to determine how many will actually go "final," a number which we expect before year-end. In addition, we have 20 pilots who have elected the enhanced leave of absence. Despite speculation that there might be nine furloughs in November, we have not yet issued furlough notice and are hopeful that an involuntary reduction can be avoided through December. Rest assured that all provisions of the CBA will be respected as we work through this process. Finally, I have written to our codeshare partner Korean Airlines advising them that we are in an over-staffed situation and asking for special consideration of Alaska pilots should they have a need for qualified B737 co-pilots. As soon as I have a response I will share it with those who may be interested in working abroad during our downsizing. At this time of uncertainty it is imperative that we communicate often and with specifics. Ask questions, stay informed and I will do my best to keep you up-to-date. Fly safely and have a good week.

Greg
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WOW! These guys really aren't so bad afterall!:rolleyes:
 
I was told GS thinks he can run this airline with a seniority list of 1200 pilots. And with our on time performance and the way our helpful pilot group has been picking up all the open time maybe he is right!
 
That entire was letter was a load of crap, especially the part about how he's looking out for us by writing to KAL. It's the same old doom and gloom--notice how he's written to KAL about our "over-staffed situation." Greg wants us all to remember that furloughs are still looming--and the number could be considerable.

At least he finally acknowledged that oil going down is a good thing. Couldn't keep up the oil going up=bad, oil going down=bad argument when we all had a good laugh about that one.
 
Chief Pilot said:
That entire was letter was a load of crap, especially the part about how he's looking out for us by writing to KAL. It's the same old doom and gloom--notice how he's written to KAL about our "over-staffed situation." Greg wants us all to remember that furloughs are still looming--and the number could be considerable.

At least he finally acknowledged that oil going down is a good thing. Couldn't keep up the oil going up=bad, oil going down=bad argument when we all had a good laugh about that one.
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Gary Beck's bulletin already said oil was still way to expensive. Gregg did noy have to say it this time. They are never happy.
 
It's interesting that they send these memos out during the weekend. Nothing like sending doom & gloom memos on non-business days, just to try to "ruin" people's mood.

AAG money well spent on Ford Harrison lawyers.
 
They should change their moniker to CONAIR.

I thought Gary's memo was interesting. He could have just summed it up in these 4 words: "I don't know anything."
 
Just FYI-

They canceled the flight attendant furlough.

MEC notified the 9 to expect notification of a November 18th furlough.


ZP
 
Don't think for a moment that G.S., B.A., Beck, etc. are clueless. They are playing the game to the fullest. Bean counters and lawyers hard at work. They hide behind their motto, "it's just business" so that they can sleep at nights; they are the same people who live in the grey area but we all know that there is no such a place; it's either black or white. Greedy and evil, pure and simple!
 
Definitely a game.....and one I've lost interest in following too closely on a day by day basis. I'll just wait for the letter and stop guessing when that's going to happen based on the current statement of the day from mgt.

On a side note, I found it interesting that they should mention KAL. If I'm not mistaken, it looks as though Korean has a 5 year contract. It was mentioned when I submitted my ELOA request that multi-year contracts on the order of 3-5 years would not be accepted...I suppose a 5 year contract is acceptable if you're furloughed however????

The contract where I am going is only 12 months, so this won't be a problem. I just found the comments regarding KAL intriguing.
 
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I guess the furloughs will really start once all our Hawaii flying goes to LAX in January and they reduce ANC to 30 lines.......

If this is new to you then read your bulletins.
 
This is such a joke. I heard 143 is the new new new number management has come up with and they will start furloughing next month. I don’t think anyone in management has a clue!
 
I have a feeling the 9 number was to just jerk us around.

I feel like the sucker punch is in motion.
 
I know this is a long shot, but is management preparing for this:

Delta’s focus is head-to-head with AirTran, analyst says
By KELLY YAMANOUCHI

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Tuesday, October 14, 2008

Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines is concentrating its growth in Atlanta on markets where it competes head-to-head with AirTran Airways, according to a report from Credit Suisse analyst Daniel McKenzie.

For Delta, Credit Suisse did not rule out further merger and acquisition activity, naming Alaska Air Group and JetBlue Airways as potential targets that would enable Delta to better compete with an “inevitable” Continental-United combination in the future.
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turbodriver said:
I guess the furloughs will really start once all our Hawaii flying goes to LAX in January and they reduce ANC to 30 lines.......
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What I find intriguing is that there has been such an intense focus on reduction. The bulletin regarding the start up of ETOPS in LAX specifically mentioned that it related to positioning the company for "future growth". I thought the only focus was on reduction.

It would be a sad day when they shift the ETOPS completely away from ANC. It has been one of the few advantages of commuting up here from SEA.

Not that I'm trying to make sense of any of this...LOL! I stopped trying to do that a while back.
 
My question is... how are they going to Furlough in DEC, JAN, FEB... add ETOPS to LAX, Line check LAX ETOPS pilots JAN & FEB, Shift flying around busy Hawaii schedule... Downgrade Jr. Captains in Anchorage... predict an accurate number of LOA's and Early Out's... train the remaining MD crossover's... mitigate the bid blocks... negotiate a LOA for part time lines and finally Gear up for the summer schedule that has always been lucrative even in tough economic times where(Alaska) we face little or no competition! How can they predict anything? They can't! They created a Cluster F*** themselves.

Oil waaaaaay down...
Ticket prices falling again...
Loads picking back up...
DAL/NWA looking to strengthen code-share...
Gary Beck telling MEC about new routes...
!!! and Saretsky is saying the Sky is falling!!!

These tactics have been used over and over again. I am glad Baze draws a F & H connection because that's what this is.
 
We will probably add a LAX-HNL or LAX-OGG later next year, but I think this is mostly so they can cut 100 low seniority guys and not have a problem with staffing the Hawaii flying. I like how the first line is "GREAT NEWS...."

For who? Not the ANC guys....
 
We will probably add a LAX-HNL or LAX-OGG later next year, but I think this is mostly so they can cut 100 low seniority guys and not have a problem with staffing the Hawaii flying. I like how the first line is "GREAT NEWS...."

For who? Not the ANC guys....
 
Training guys in LA for ETOPS is not something new and ominous. It has been the plan all along to eventually have everyone trained for ETOPS once we had received approval. ANC made the most sense to start with because many ETOPS flights originate out of there and it is a small base, so getting everyone trained was fairly quick and easy. Those of us who have bid out of ANC still do the ETOPS recurrent in our CQ. Eventually we will all be ETOPS qualified. Training LAX makes good sense because it is the next logical jumping off point for flights to the islands. Why have ANC do those too? They are already stretched thin, and I don't personally want to do any more winter arctic flying. The fun meter runs a little low on the walkaround in Deadhorse at -20 degrees with a 20 knot wind.

As far as the furlough stuff goes, it's the game we are forced to play right now, and the best thing we can do for management is to get all worked up about it. One of our guys wrote a really good article on our alpa web board about Alaska management's past practice..I'd suggest everyone read it. Management has one goal right now...get us to fly for as little money as possible, and do that by any means necessary. We will never know the full extent of their future business plans, but they can afford to pay us. We just need to stay the course and make them.
 
PDX to the Islands? Where and who did you get that from? Just this months flavor on the PDX base rumor.
BTW, I also agree with the post on the ALPA board about 'History', and Alaska's playbook. Good reading, and good reasons to relax a bit and not get bent, which is exactly what they want.
 
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PDX to the Islands? Where and who did you get that from? Just this months flavor on the PDX base rumor.
BTW, I also agree with the post on the ALPA board about 'History', and Alaska's playbook. Good reading, and good reasons to relax a bit and not get bent, which is exactly what they want.
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You can get a pax from pdx-sea in the morning and on the sea-hnl. Because of this, I see lax-hnl first. We have a lot of frequent fliers there with no way to get to hnl from lax on Alaska.
 
Alaska has their code on AA's flights to the islands from LAX. If you want to redeem your Mileage Plan miles to the islands you could redeem them on AA, DL, and CO. I just don't see us flying LAX-HNL. We don't want to compete against UA, AA, CO, HA, or DL.
 
Look for SNA-HNL, OGG etc...Oh, but wait. We are furloughing and cutting capacity. We cant possibly start new city pairs.

Dear Alaska Management, Ford and Harrisson:

We are calling you on your BS.

Sincereley,

1500 of Alaskas finest.
 

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