USAirways Furloughs

[JAB31]

Just heard there are 66 pilots slated to be furloughed on Oct 4th. Is there anybody currently on furlough? I assume the 66 is an east+west number. I was under the impression they were furloughing at a rate of 10-20/month and spreading it out over 8 months or so. Any outside info?

 

[TWA Dude]

They moved up the schedule. The first furloughs took place a week ago. On Oct 1st 51 Westies to be furloughed. Expecting 57 more West furloughs on Nov 1.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

After the October furloughs, the junior pilot on the east will have a February 08 hire date. On the west it will be December, 04. In November, the west furloughs will go back to August, 04. Further furloughs on the east are on indefinite hold. Looking for the indignation from USAPA any minute now.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

After the October furloughs, the junior pilot on the east will have a February 08 hire date. On the west it will be December, 04. In November, the west furloughs will go back to August, 04. Further furloughs on the east are on indefinite hold. Looking for the indignation from USAPA any minute now.

Don't hold your breath.
MCDU's holding his for his inflatable date later!

 

[flyNICKair]

I was furloughed on Sep 4th along with 21 others.

 

[OnTheDole]

Everyone needs to be aware that USAPA is allowing and supporting out-of-senority furloughs and I'm not talking about the NIC senority list - I'm talking about their DOH senority list that they keep beating their chest abot. So its obvious that USAPA doesn't demand a DOH list like they claim, they demand a list that changes with need to ensure the west pilots are furloughed 1st regardless of DOH, LOS, or the NIC list

On Oct.1 50+ AWA guys will hit the street - guys hired in Jan. 2005, while NEW HIRES (many just off probation) remain employed

These new hires are junior to EVERYONE east and west but the company saves lots o money by furloughing out of senority and as long as USAPA turns the other cheek because its happening to the west guys it will continue. Need any more proof USAPA only represents the east?

FU-USAPA

Some 'Union'
Karma's a bitch...

 

[MCDU]

Sorry for your furlough. Hopefully you will be back sooner then later. The fact of age 65 has really put a speedbrake on all the movement we had here a year ago. 40 pilots a month were leaving before 65. Average age is still very high. Around 57.

M

 

[MCDU]

We are still two pilot groups. No ione out West has a right to fly out East. You are like Mid Atlantic pilots. Trapped in your flying.

M

 

[f15boomer]

Everyone needs to be aware that USAPA is allowing and supporting out-of-senority furloughs and I'm not talking about the NIC senority list - I'm talking about their DOH senority list that they keep beating their chest abot. So its obvious that USAPA doesn't demand a DOH list like they claim, they demand a list that changes with need to ensure the west pilots are furloughed 1st regardless of DOH, LOS, or the NIC list

On Oct.1 50+ AWA guys will hit the street - guys hired in Jan. 2005, while NEW HIRES (many just off probation) remain employed

These new hires are junior to EVERYONE east and west but the company saves lots o money by furloughing out of senority and as long as USAPA turns the other cheek because its happening to the west guys it will continue. Need any more proof USAPA only represents the east?

FU-USAPA

Some 'Union'
Karma's a bitch...

Iguess that means if we merge with a new partner while you are on furlough you will be put at the bottom of the list behind the new hires that are still on the east because you bring nothing to the merger.

How does it feel westie.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

Not even the same situation by a long shot. As someone already pointed out, the west pilots being furloughed are senior to the new hires whether you use Nic, LOS, or DOH. We are only being furloughed because USAPA is allowing the company to whipsaw us. When the AWA/US merger happened, all the US furloughees were from the bottom of the list, as it should be. They had basically no career expectations and brought nothing to the table but the right to be re-hired.

Don't worry. The Nicolau decision will ultimately prevail.

 

[MCDU]

Don't worry. The Nicolau decision will ultimately prevail.[/quote]


Dream on. Still trying to cash that lottery ticket.
Well that ticket went bye bye.

There are 2 pilot groups and two seniority systems. As long as we are separate, the only thing I see as a possibility is that a Westie can go to the bottom of the East list once we have recalled all East furloughees. I highly doubt that there will be ever any recalls out West. The only hope for a AWA furloughee is for a DOH list to be implemented. That would get AWA pilots back.

M

 

[Green]

Don't worry. The Nicolau decision will ultimately prevail.

Dream on. Still trying to cash that lottery ticket.
Well that ticket went bye bye.

M[/QUOTE]

I don't think a number at US Airways could EVER be referred to as a 'lottery ticket.' What a joke... Your 30 year A330 captains make less than 5 year SWA captains. Some lottery ticket.......lol

 

[OnTheDole]

... or a court ruling against the pilaging of the west...

 

[OnTheDole]

Iguess that means if we merge with a new partner while you are on furlough you will be put at the bottom of the list behind the new hires that are still on the east because you bring nothing to the merger.

How does it feel westie.

I wouldn't expect to be junior to the new hires currently on the east becasue they occupy a position that (through no fault of their own, and I don't blame them for not throwing themselves on the sword) doesn't belong to them by anybodys senority standard DOH, LOS, NIC

But in realtionship to new hires at the company we merge with...
I certainly wouldn't expect to come back as a senior FO or even a Capt. like many East furloughs want.

I'll put it here for all to see...

If this sh_t hole that is the 'New USAirways' shrinks for years and ends up on the verge of liquidation like the old USAir and we get bought (or Merged) with a compay who has recently hired and/ or has nobody on furlough I WILL EXPECT TO BE PUT JUNIOR TO THEIR MOST JUNIOR ACTIVE PILOT and if I take the job @ recall I will appreciate the fact that without this new merger I would STILL be unemployed.

There you have it...
If I'm on furlough @ the time of a merger I expect and accept being placed junior to all active pilots on the other companies senority list

 

[mrebuck]

So, are some MDA piots still active and others are furloughed?

 

[Fast43]

Don't worry. The Nicolau decision will ultimately prevail.

Dream on. Still trying to cash that lottery ticket.
Well that ticket went bye bye.

There are 2 pilot groups and two seniority systems. As long as we are separate, the only thing I see as a possibility is that a Westie can go to the bottom of the East list once we have recalled all East furloughees. I highly doubt that there will be ever any recalls out West. The only hope for a AWA furloughee is for a DOH list to be implemented. That would get AWA pilots back.

M[/quote]

Mr.MCDU

There are actually 3 lists currently in effect. If you read the Trans Agreement. You will see among the obligations the east is expected to live up to, is the contractual agreement by the Company to Furlough all 3 listers before any east or west pilot. The rationale for this is not DOH, LOS or even the Nicolau list. But plainly the 3rd listers should be furloughed first because that is what the Company agreed to. Interestingly furloughing the 3rd listers FIRST is comensurate with DOH,LOS and NIC. Most are aware of how fondly usapa feels about DOH and LOS. By both DOH and LOS this Furlough is not occuring properly. Yet we hear nothing from the "Union by Pilots for Pilots" who are responsible like or not to represent all LCC pilots east or west. To not do so is in bad form and opens ones union up to litigation.

Fast

 

[Bringupthebird]

Those who treat MCDUH as anything but a chain-yanker are wasting their time.

The east is the nexus of ignorance and dishonesty and they will likely never change.

 

[elguapo9]

Further furloughs on the east are on indefinite hold.

Any source on that??

 

[MCDU]

Should AWA pilots be included as active pilots in case of a merger? Or should we treat them like the MDA pilots?

The Nic award listed MDA pilots as furloughed. You can not be furloughed and hold an ALPA postion as did the PHL treasurer at the time. US Air confirmed MDA pilots are active USAIR pilots at time of merger. MDA pilots got no furlough pay and like AWA pilots were restricted in their bidding options which was wrong and being fought.

MDA pilots had jobs at the time of merger and all got stapled. Some with 17 years of service. Like it or not MDA was part of USAIR. Same certificate. Same call sign, everything. Kind of what AWA is now.

AWA pilots can dream of Nic, but it will never happen. Nic is a total disregard of union principles. It left active pilots with 17 years of service behind probation pilots. The east attrition belongs to East pilots.

M

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Should AWA pilots be included as active pilots in case of a merger? Or should we treat them like the MDA pilots?

Should you be treated other than the miserable carrot yanker than you are?

The Nic award listed MDA pilots as furloughed. You can not be furloughed and hold an ALPA postion as did the PHL treasurer at the time. US Air confirmed MDA pilots are active USAIR pilots at time of merger. MDA pilots got no furlough pay and like AWA pilots were restricted in their bidding options which was wrong and being fought.

And this has what to do with you paying for your job at Gulfstream?

MDA pilots had jobs at the time of merger and all got stapled. Some with 17 years of service. Like it or not MDA was part of USAIR. Same certificate. Same call sign, everything. Kind of what AWA is now.

I heard that you and the founder of Gulfstream have a lot in common!

AWA pilots can dream of Nic, but it will never happen. Nic is a total disregard of union principles. It left active pilots with 17 years of service behind probation pilots. The east attrition belongs to East pilots.

M

And PFT belongs to MCdoush!

Run along Mcdoush, recess is almost over.

 

[Bringupthebird]

So the NMB issued a single carrier ruling on MDA and US?

So pilots from US could bid and be awarded Embraer positions and MDA pilots were not prohibited from bidding AB positions?

If you're basing your argument on what stock the paychecks are written on, ask a westy what it says on the top of his paycheck (but don't ask the amount; no one wants to see you cry).

 

[boxjockey]

The lack of maturity of the East posters on here is appalling. I can't believe the lows that you people stoop to. I know two USAir pilots, and both have been there for a very long time. I can't imagine either one of them ever acting the way you guys do. These threads truly do smack of adolescence. The pilots that I have met from the West, as well as the posters on here, seem to be about three developmental stages ahead of you guys. Take your blankies and play somewhere else.....

box

 

[weasel_lips]

Yes, we should all strive to post like the westies!

Ahh, all is right with the world now.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Sorry for your furlough. Hopefully you will be back sooner then later. The fact of age 65 has really put a speedbrake on all the movement we had here a year ago. 40 pilots a month were leaving before 65. Average age is still very high. Around 57.

M

WE? Really? That mouse in your pocket the one with you that you call WE???

Right HERE:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=848465#post848465


you claim not to even work for US Airways.

PFT-MCDU----One airline strike away from his next airline job.

 

[Boeing747Driver]

Dude, I do not work for USAir.

Settle down
I guess u bit the bait.

Marty

Someone has a major integrity issue.

 

[xrated]

Nic is a total disregard of union principles.

Hey MCDUmmy,

At the time of the merger, DOH definately wasn't regarded as union principles. The only reason Nic came to the table was because of union policy and hense "principles". It was the East "guys" that had total disregard for the union (at the time) principles.

 

[cactusboy53]

We are still two pilot groups. No ione out West has a right to fly out East. You are like Mid Atlantic pilots. Trapped in your flying.

M

Not according to the NMB. Standby...I'm on my way out to PHL. I'll be starting a crash pad in Essington. Manditory requirement for occupants: Good attitude. Sorry, Marty...it doesn't look good for you so far.

 

[cactusboy53]

Iguess that means if we merge with a new partner while you are on furlough you will be put at the bottom of the list behind the new hires that are still on the east because you bring nothing to the merger.

How does it feel westie.

Peachie, since any new partner in recent discussions will likely forcea representation vote. Merger "discussions" on LCC's side START with FEDERAL FINAL AND BINDING ARBITRATION. Any bets on your side as to how your are viewed by the rest of the commercial aviation society??

ENTITLEMENT, IT'S NOT JUST FOR BREAKFAST ANYMORE:laugh: .

 

[surfnfly]

Peachie, since any new partner in recent discussions will likely forcea representation vote. Merger "discussions" on LCC's side START with FEDERAL FINAL AND BINDING ARBITRATION. Any bets on your side as to how your are viewed by the rest of the commercial aviation society??

ENTITLEMENT, IT'S NOT JUST FOR BREAKFAST ANYMORE:laugh: .

Hey Cactusboy, You clowns out west are real pros and well respected, flickin off other pilots as they do a walk around or shoulder checkin some guy in terminal. Think what you want. I've got numerous friends at SWA and they say you westies just can't shut the f#ck up when you ride on them. Get over it the Nic award is worth about as much as the toilet paper in the PHX terminal.

 

[Soulfly]

Hey Cactusboy, You clowns out west are real pros and well respected, flickin off other pilots as they do a walk around or shoulder checkin some guy in terminal. Think what you want. I've got numerous friends at SWA and they say you westies just can't shut the f#ck up when you ride on them. Get over it the Nic award is worth about as much as the toilet paper in the PHX terminal.

Really, that last time I rode on SWA, the captain asked to see my badge before he gave me the time of day.

He then saw my P# on the back of my badge. He then let into a tirade on how he would never let an "east" pilot ever ride on his jumpseat due to safety concerns.

And, you guys signed on the dotted line in regards to binding arbitration. It is a legal document, that the "East MEC" signed, so we'll see you in court.

You know, I did IOE for quite a few "east" guys during the J4J debacle. I am really disappointed.