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surfnfly said:
Hey Cactusboy, You clowns out west are real pros and well respected, flickin off other pilots as they do a walk around or shoulder checkin some guy in terminal. Think what you want. I've got numerous friends at SWA and they say you westies just can't shut the f#ck up when you ride on them. Get over it the Nic award is worth about as much as the toilet paper in the PHX terminal.
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I can't speak for other Cactus pilots, but I don't flip off anyone (or do shoulder checks). What is do is smile and wave or say "hello". I do appreciate the support offered to former America West employees by all other pilots and other airline personnel.

We were a 'go-along-to-get-along" group largely. I do not force my opinion on anyone, but if asked I offer a thumb-nail sketch of what's going on. We are simply sick of the crap and amazed at what this process has turned into.

I don't have to worry about getting over the Nic decision, because it is sitting on Mr. Parker's desk. That document was delivered by ALPA, and accepted by Mr. Parker as within the confines of his requirements for a combined list.
 
cactusboy53 said:
I don't have to worry about getting over the Nic decision, because it is sitting on Mr. Parker's desk. That document was delivered by ALPA, and accepted by Mr. Parker as within the confines of his requirements for a combined list.
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you actually think parker cares???
 
Green said:
Dream on. Still trying to cash that lottery ticket.
Well that ticket went bye bye.

M
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I don't think a number at US Airways could EVER be referred to as a 'lottery ticket.' What a joke... Your 30 year A330 captains make less than 5 year SWA captains. Some lottery ticket.......lol[/quote]

Very true, but working at US Airways is better than being a Mesa pilot, Walmart greeter, or being furloughed/collecting unemployment.......
one's perspective rapidly changes when you are trying to save the house and keep food on the table for your 2 and 5 year old.
Welcome to my new world....

Keep the Hatfield and McKoy (east/west) b1t(h fest going, I'm sure all it's doing a lot of good to help out those of us that are getting laid off..... (sarcasm implied).

I didn't choose which side of the Mississippi I got based on, I was told not that very long ago in indoc.
I figured I'd make the best of it and eventually relocate. I have many close friends on both the East and West side, but all you die hards need to just "grow the F up"! It amazes me to see grown men act like a bunch of high school kids... It really is time to pull your heads out of the "up lock position" and start working on a contract rather than fighting you fellow pilots. Why don't you shelve the "arbitrators ruling" for now since it's out of your hands and you are not a Judge (leave it for the next ruling and next bunch of attorneys that will get rich) and use this hostility and energy to fight the real enemy..... our screwed up management that thinks we can save the airline by charging $2 for a can of coke?
Doug has to love the infighting here because he will play you two groups for all it is worth.... secretly of course but he will. The longer we are at odds the longer he has the upper hand. It's a shame most of you will not realize it until it's too late......
 
MCDU said:
It left active pilots with 17 years of service behind probation pilots. The east attrition belongs to East pilots.

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I'm not trying to fight with you here MCDU but weren't those pilots on furlough? I don't necessarily agree with shi11ing on the furlough pilots because one of my closest (East) friends was in that group as I will be too. Hasn't that always been the policy with our "lovely" unions? The furlough pilots are not active so there fore they take it in the shorts?
I think your attrition comment will only be valid only until Parker can find way a way to integrate but that of course will be hundreds of thousands of dollars in attorneys fees and years away.....

Unless there is another bankruptcy before then.
 
surfnfly said:
Hey Cactusboy, You clowns out west are real pros and well respected, flickin off other pilots as they do a walk around or shoulder checkin some guy in terminal. Think what you want. I've got numerous friends at SWA and they say you westies just can't shut the f#ck up when you ride on them. Get over it the Nic award is worth about as much as the toilet paper in the PHX terminal.
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Hey surfnfly there are hard core dou(hee bags on both sides..... and don't forget it!
 
weasel_lips said:
Yes, we should all strive to post like the westies!

Ahh, all is right with the world now.
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No but I think everyone should act like an adult and a so called "professional"....
 
Ok someone else can post here now ....I'm done.
 
Captzaahlie said:
Ok someone else can post here now ....I'm done.
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Capt- I haven't looked far enough through your posts to know which side of the Mississippi you're on, but if I knew who you were and met up with you in a bar, the drinks would be on me.

Way to try and take a step back and approach this whole abortion with a little straightforward thinking. A real rarity these days.
 
get2flyin said:
Capt- I haven't looked far enough through your posts to know which side of the Mississippi you're on, but if I knew who you were and met up with you in a bar, the drinks would be on me.

Way to try and take a step back and approach this whole abortion with a little straightforward thinking. A real rarity these days.
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Thanks get 2, and I'd buy the second round despite being down to my last 3 paychecks...... sorry for the rant, I'm just so over the high school bull$hit.
 
LearLove said:
you actually think parker cares???
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You are right Parker doesn't give a rats a$$ about the employee group. i'm sure he does get wood (prob. courtesy of Cialis) every time he catches word of bickering between the pilot groups, because it makes him stronger.
 
surfnfly said:
Get over it the Nic award is worth about as much as the toilet paper in the PHX terminal.
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I have a feeling the judge won't let the (very accurately described, by the way) worth of USAPA integrity to change the definition of BINDING.
 
Captzaahlie said:
LOL, Yeah was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.......?
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:beer:
i don't have a dog in this hunt but da' capt nailed it. keep your last 3 paychecks dude, i'll trade drink rounds with get2 on the booze. best of luck to everyone in this f'ed up rodeo.
 
Fly-n-hi said:
What are you East guys gonna do if the courts side with us and decide to uphold the Nic award?
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Well I guess life has to go on. The ones that get furloughed again will have to do something else. As simple as that. What are you going to do?
 
this whole mess is a disgrace to pilots and the concept of seniority.
 
Fly-n-hi said:
What are you East guys gonna do if the courts side with us and decide to uphold the Nic award?
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as far as I understand the court has nothing to do with it anymore. the new union is based on DOH. nic is gone. even if some court somewhere said you guys have to use nic, asapa could just say ok, then make a resolution and vote to toss it out (and it would get tossed as long as there are more east than west). a court can't tell a union or any other organization how to organize itself.
 
LearLove said:
as far as I understand the court has nothing to do with it anymore. the new union is based on DOH. nic is gone. even if some court somewhere said you guys have to use nic, asapa could just say ok, then make a resolution and vote to toss it out (and it would get tossed as long as there are more east than west). a court can't tell a union or any other organization how to organize itself.
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You're only 100% correct. I'm happy that the west will get some closure to the nic with this though!!!
 
LearLove said:
as far as I understand the court has nothing to do with it anymore. the new union is based on DOH. nic is gone. even if some court somewhere said you guys have to use nic, asapa could just say ok, then make a resolution and vote to toss it out (and it would get tossed as long as there are more east than west). a court can't tell a union or any other organization how to organize itself.
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Tyranny of the majority at its finest...
 
LearLove said:
as far as I understand the court has nothing to do with it anymore.
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Your understanding is incorrect. The lawsuits filed last week put it into court. You do what DFR stands for, right? What makes you think it's legal for a union to deliberately try to disadvantage a pilot group?
the new union is based on DOH.
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Which is pretty funny considering the new law which requires the Mohawk-Allegheny procedures in future mergers. And that means binding arbitration.
nic is gone. even if some court somewhere said you guys have to use nic, asapa could just say ok, then make a resolution and vote to toss it out (and it would get tossed as long as there are more east than west). a court can't tell a union or any other organization how to organize itself.
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DFR is the law.
 
all i'm saying is that both sides are going to need some serious retro-pay to make up for all the years surrounding this...

and it can't happen b/c it was ya'lls dumb a$$'s that walked away
crazy.
 
I think the best case for the west is challenging the NMB's single carrier status. Under ALPA, Prater was just as happy to see the NMB make that determination to save ALPA money (and we all see where that strategery got them). Now a group like the Army of Leo should press to see that decision overturned an re-instate ALPA as the west bargaining agent and allow for separate ratification of the joint contract per the original intent of the Transition Agreement.

There is ample evidence that this is not a single unified craft and class.
 

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