AWA/ US Airways pilot seniority integration

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Marty

 

[MCDU]

Well, for those of you ill informed. There are a few hundred pilots on furlough at US Airways that have worked there for 15 yrs and held Captain positions.

One of my best friends was a Metro Jet Capt. and this is his first furlough. Get the facts.

Plus, it is beyond me why any pilot stayed at America West a few years ago. Half my class was Amreica West in 1997. They where the lowest payed pilots by far, and those who stayed where the drunks and people the majors did not want.
America West, an airline with a history with Bankruptcys is now suddenly a great airline. I do not think so. Treat the AAA pilots with respect.


cheers
Marty

 

[Draginass]

The key point to the furloughee question is contractural. If the company isn't legally bound to honor recalls, then you can bet they're not going to. The next question is if U ALPA is going to cut the furloughees adrift for good. My guess is they will, if past performance is any indicator.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Draginass,

On the surface i'd agree with you. I would expect the USAirways MEC to sacrifice the furloughees in exchange for better integration. They have a history of screwing the junior folks.

But then I wonder. If 1900 pilots sue ALPA for duty of fair representation / breach of contract... would they have any chance?

I'm guessing Mike Haber (the clown running the RJDC lawsuit) would take that case on contingency. 1900 pilots with 15-30 years remaining before mandatory retirement. That's about 1.8 million per pilot (figuring 80,000/yr average over 23 years) or around 34 billion dollars.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

Well, for those of you ill informed. There are a few hundred pilots on furlough at US Airways that have worked there for 15 yrs and held Captain positions.

One of my best friends was a Metro Jet Capt. and this is his first furlough. Get the facts.

Plus, it is beyond me why any pilot stayed at America West a few years ago. Half my class was Amreica West in 1997. They where the lowest payed pilots by far, and those who stayed where the drunks and people the majors did not want.
America West, an airline with a history with Bankruptcys is now suddenly a great airline. I do not think so. Treat the AAA pilots with respect.


cheers
Marty

MCDU,

F*ck you. I have never cast insults at the AAA pilot group. Where do you get off calling us the drunks and the rejects that other majors didn't want? I'll put my flying abilities and knowledge up against yours anyday.

If there is anyone out there not treating the AAA pilots with respect it is most likely because of loudmouths like you. And I'm sure that the only one who gets "ripped on" is you.

Your best friend was a MetroJet Captain? That's great. What's your point??

Yeah, AWA was the lowest paid group at one point...and AAA was the highest paid at one point. Now we are making more than you. We are moving forward while you are moving backwards. Since you seem to associate pay with respectability I'd say that your argument will bite you in the butt.

It is beyond you why any pilot stayed at AWA back in th day??? Funny you should use this arguement because it is beyond me why any pilot would stay at AAA today (or at least until AWA aquired AAA).

I'll bet all those AWA guys who left to go to AAA are wishing they hadn't.

History of bankruptcies??? Have you read anything about the airline you come from??? The reason AWA aquired US Airways is because you were in bankruptcy...not us. Who cares if AWA was in bankruptcy 13 years ago. What bearing does that have now???

Your arguments have no foundation. You're just venting a bunch of emotional bable.

 

[MCDU]

Dude, I do not work for USAir.

Settle down
I guess u bit the bait.

Marty

 

[vetrider]

Well, for those of you ill informed. There are a few hundred pilots on furlough at US Airways that have worked there for 15 yrs and held Captain positions.

One of my best friends was a Metro Jet Capt. and this is his first furlough. Get the facts.

Plus, it is beyond me why any pilot stayed at America West a few years ago. Half my class was Amreica West in 1997. They where the lowest payed pilots by far, and those who stayed where the drunks and people the majors did not want.
America West, an airline with a history with Bankruptcys is now suddenly a great airline. I do not think so. Treat the AAA pilots with respect.


cheers
Marty

Drunks and the people the majors did not want? I guess, if the allmighty Marty says so.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Just a point of clarification:

IF the furloughed pilots were integrated (rather than stapled) into the combined seniority list...

It is my understanding that those currently furloughed would REMAIN on furlough-status regardless of where their new seniority falls.

Once there was a need for recall, and that pilot accepted a recall, he would then accept his position on the seniority list (and bound by applicable fences) for bidding purposes.

Right?

So an active AWA pilot would not be sacrificed (furloughed) in order to bring back a furloughed pilot.

Or am I out in left field?

That is correct. You will receive a new senority number via arbitration (thank your Merger Committe for that one)you will remain on furlough status and as openings
occur,you will get recalled and slotted in at whatever your senority can hold.But then again,I am not the arbitrator.


PHXFLYR

 

[ironspud]

Draginass,
On the surface i'd agree with you. I would expect the USAirways MEC to sacrifice the furloughees in exchange for better integration. They have a history of screwing the junior folks.

But then I wonder. If 1900 pilots sue ALPA for duty of fair representation / breach of contract... would they have any chance?

Whew! Getting through the last few messages was tough. Looks like "Marty" needs to get off the sauce.

In respect to DFR, I don't think any union owes DFR or any other contractual obligation to furloughed pilots. So the AAA MEC can pretty much do what it wants to the furloughees. A lawsuit could be a pretty tough sell.

 

[TWA Dude]

If the company isn't legally bound to honor recalls, then you can bet they're not going to.

This has already been set in stone by the Transition Agreement. All furloughees will be offered recall when the time comes.

The next question is if U ALPA is going to cut the furloughees adrift for good.

I think U ALPA is fighting pretty hard for them so far. I don't expect that to change.