What is NJ looking for?

[Diesel]

NJA is looking for a new breed of pilot. You may have the time and qualifications, but your personhood of superior customer care pilot is now required. NJA wants to take the company (pilots) to a higher level.

Crew and customer interaction skills will take you a long way in the interview. If you think you can just close the door between you and the clients, this is not the job for you. You must think now like a limo driver and not the bus driver.

versus what they've always been looking for?

Nothing has changed in that department. That's always been our focus.

Maybe we shouldn't have ex airline people in charge of hiring?

 

[freighterguy]

BINGO!!!!!!

If only we knew what really happened to DM.

FG

 

[Lou3]

BINGO!!!!!!

If only we knew what really happened to DM.

FG

That's what I'm talking about!

 

[realityman]

It's interesting, but I agree with Diesel and disagree at the same time.

I agree, in that making people wait for months to find out their status is ridiculous. Especially if they've already been told "you're hired, and we'll get back to you on class dates". So why are we making these folks wait? It is stupid.

On the flip side, I have to disagree with a few things too. Sorry Diesel, but as an IOE guy I can absolutely attest to the fact that the folks we're hiring now are FAR BETTER than what we've hired in years past. I agree in that I have no idea what NJA really wants, but whatever it is, it's working. Every single IOE candidate in the past year has displayed a work ethic heretofore completely unseen at this company. The attention to detail the newhires display is amazing. How they interact with the clients is far better than the beginners we've seen previously (yeah, they're better in most aspects than when I was hired too. Not putting myself above any of this).

I won't say they fly better than anyone else. Same old mixed bag there. Some are great. Some need a little tweaking. All come up to speed by the end of IOE. Same as everyone who's ever been hired here. But it's the rest of the job where they really shine. My life as an IOE instructor has been so much easier with these newhires.

You claim we're passing up incredibly qualified pilots. I agree. But you're missing the point that we're also hiring incredibly qualified pilots. The process may be screwed up, but it still appears to be working far better than it used to.

 

[Diesel]

I used to do ioe for a long time, through the new hire captains, the crazy times. So i appreciate your comments about how we are making sure the talent pool is better but I think a lot of that came with the fact that this is a much better job than it was in the past. In the past this was not really a choosen job. Now with the QOL through the roof there is just a much bigger pool to pick from.

At other airlines and cargo companies they understood that those who are working here understand what it takes to work here and can help reduce the volume. Sure take some outside people but look to our own first.

We always have to reinvent the wheel.... you gotta agree with that.

 

[realityman]

We always have to reinvent the wheel.... you gotta agree with that.

Sure those square wheels give a bumpy ride, but they certainly help prevent us from rolling downhill too fast!!:laugh:

Yes, the pool is much bigger now. But the same ratios of people make it up. So you'll have some who want to work here who absolutely shouldn't be here. Some who would be okay. And some who would be perfect here.

I, like you, have no idea what they're actually looking for, but we seem to be getting the ones who would be perfect here. We didn't used to do that. So it's hard for me to complain too much. If they were passing over the best pilots for the job and hiring the mediocre ones, I'd be voicing my discontent a lot more. You say the pilots already working here would certainly know what's needed for the job. I agree. But I'd also say that's it's obvious from the newhires that at least a couple people in recruitment also know what's needed for the job and are, in fact, hiring the best candidates for it.

But again, how we are treating those that have applied needs a lot more improvement. Leaving folks hanging just isn't very classy.

 

[fly4ever]

FWIW,

Heard from PK that the head of hiring was brought in from The Gap - the clothing chain.

 

[amflightpilot]

FWIW, I heard that...........

AMF

 

[Lou3]

Anyone see the latest interview post from aviationinterviews.com? I think some of the frustration is starting to show.

 

[learflyer]

Anyone see the latest interview post from aviationinterviews.com? I think some of the frustration is starting to show.

Did you see the Allegiant Air one? The person was hired in Feb 08'. Was hired, and Waited in a pool for a class date that never happened. Was asked to re-interview in June (i think) WHILE WAITING FOR A CLASS DATE. He was turned down during his second interview! This industry truly has issues.

 

[scarlet]

How long after did someone wait,once you got the "we will be in Communications with you in the future"..??

How long till you hear back from them??

 

[Texanflyboy]

How do you offer someone employment with any company and then ask them to re-apply, especially if they're still hiring at normal rates? I don't get that one! Seems fishy to me!
I'm sending my packet in today, I've had my eyes on NJA for years now.

 

[flyguybdb]

So I sent in an application about 1 month ago, and today I received and email stating they are looking to pursue candidates that are better matched to their current openings. I have 10000 plus hours of flying time in aircraft of which 7000 of it is MD80 time. Is it because I lack corporate time? I was just curious what others were getting interviews with or hired with for that matter.

Well hang in there I sent in my app 5 months ago and got the phone interview and was told the interview went well and I would be next for the 2nd interview. The bad news I was told was he didn't know when that would be it could be in 2 weeks 2 months or 2 years. The head of training told me It might be never because they were slowing down the hiring the last half of the year and had a lot of pilots in que for the 2nd interview. So I'm hanging in there flying until I get the call hope it is soon before I go overseas to fly for a while.

 

[flyguybdb]

OK posted twice Sorry

 

[captain007]

Two good friends of mine just got the same email, thanks but no thanks. I wrote both of them letters and they didn't even get a chance at an interview. I don't get it, but they we will keep trying.

1st friend 5k hours, 1000 pic turbine, check airmen, regional captain, many years of sales and customer services exper.

2nd friend over 8k hours, over 3-4 turbine pic, checkairmen at the regionals, now a fo for america west (us airways).

I did my best, I hope they re-apply and get a shot.