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FLYLOW22 said:
Hiring is broke because the company sent away one of the true crown jewels of the company. NJ screwed up there and I wish here nothing but the best for the rest of her days. We are truly at a loss.
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Interesting viewpoint. But wasn't the hiring process turning into a train wreck before DM left? I certainly will say there doesn't seem to have been any improvement since then, save maybe the new "fill in the blanks" app...
 
There are several people performing her job. This is not meant as a bash on them, but a compliment on D. I hope she lands on her feet. She is a class act!
 
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But wasn't the hiring process turning into a train wreck before DM left?
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Things like D's departure don't happen like a light switch.

I would bet that duties were slowly transferred away from her over time prior to her leaving.

I would bet.


Sad.
 
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Does anyone have a name and email of the person who replaced DM? Thanks.
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No. It takes 4 right now.

And they still aren't doing the job as well as she (alone) did.

The stories coming from applicants about the pilot hiring process are downright embarrassing to me. Kick ass company with a crap ass recruitment department.

Friends have asked me for info and LORs and I just wince.


I dunno what happened with D but I hope that the outcome was worth it for NJA.
 
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I don't claim to know what they are looking for or if their is a specific "mold" they are trying to fill. However, with the imminent and inevitable merger with NJI (my guess is before the end of the year) they really want to get the very best and they can be extremely particular. We have all heard numbers like 10,000 applications on file. Of that, say 4,000 are qualified and maybe 1,000 have rec letters and look really desirable. Who knows.

I have had several guys that I recommended get hired and a couple that didn't. I saw no specific patterns in their backgrounds that made one look better than the other. It isn't the qualifications or the number of flight hours that got them hired. Those things got them in the door and the sim eval was a check box on the interview form I am sure. But what set some apart from the others?

I think the make or break issue is the personal interviews.


Two things jump out at me.
1. Do I wanna be in a cockpit with this guy / girl for a week at a time?
2. Does this guy have the social skills to deal with the high end clients and VIPs we see every day?

If Either one of the answers is no, interview over. Thanks, but no thanks. If you can't eat with your mouth closed or carry on a half way intelligent conversation, without coming off as a complete dork, I think you are going to be in trouble. Just a theory and my opinion.

The problem I have is the long waits guys are having being told yea or nay, but it sounds like that is going to be the norm from now on.

If you want to pad your resume, may I suggest ethics and etiquette training. Charm school boys. Its gotta be cheaper than a type rating.:laugh:

Good Luck guys. I'm pulling for ya.

P.S. The slow down is due to aircraft deliveries (namely the 4000) or lack their of. Still, planning on at least 300 a year for the next 4-5 years.
 
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It may be worth stating again that the people conducting the owner/customer service portion of the interview have just as much say in the interview outcome as those who conduct the tech review and the sim eval. I've heard it said a few times this past week in training that anyone whose attitude is "I get in the plane and turn left" will get quickly deep-sixed.

Remember, most companies can safely fly someone from A to B safely. But what NetJets wants is to provide a luxurious service in addition to a safe flight.
 
captain dad said:
We have all heard numbers like 10,000 applications on file. Of that, say 4,000 are qualified and maybe 1,000 have rec letters and look really desirable. Who knows.
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I know. ;)

Last number I was told (about a month ago) was 2500 apps on file. 2500 meet the mins. About 1000 have LOR's or multiple LOR's.
 
I sent my app in yesterday and got a reply today that said that they are reviewing my requirements. Is this normal to get this kind of response this quickly? Do you even get this response before the thanks but no thanks email?
 
Do they send anything prior to the thanks but no thanks, or do they always send the "We are reviewing your qualifications" email and then you get the "thanks, but no thanks."?
 
OMG!! I had no idea that D.M. was gone! What happened? Anyone know?! I was counting on her to help me get another interview once I was eligible to reapply in September. Oh no!! Well, regardless, I hold her in a very high esteem. She personified what NJ was trying to convey.
 
although I don't urinate 14k gold, nor did I ever mend a sweater with my own back hair to a freezing child on the street in need, I did have several years of frac experience, and got along immensely with all of the guys i've flown with. I've also had concierge training at my former frac that nj didn't seem to give a rats derriere about. Do you guys have concierge training? Stop with the holier than though BS. It's plain luck.
 
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although I don't urinate 14k gold, nor did I ever mend a sweater with my own back hair to a freezing child on the street in need, I did have several years of frac experience, and got along immensely with all of the guys i've flown with. I've also had concierge training at my former frac that nj didn't seem to give a rats derriere about. Do you guys have concierge training? Stop with the holier than though BS. It's plain luck.
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That's just it. If you had fixed that poor child's sweater then you'd be a shoo in!
 
I also got the thanks, but no thanks email. I was shocked and very dissapointed. I would have loved to at least do a phone interview. Let's face it, it's a lot easier to accept a rejection letter after, not BEFORE any chance to interview! This didn't make any sense to me in that, I do have a lot of customer service experience in corporate flying.
 
The hiring department is screwed. I'm very sorry to all the great pilots we are losing because we're either delaying the crap out of you or gave you the thanks but no thanks.
 
Diesel said:
The hiring department is screwed. I'm very sorry to all the great pilots we are losing because we're either delaying the crap out of you or gave you the thanks but no thanks.
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Let them be screwed. I hope they step on their di#*s and fail miserably. Pushing DM out the door so some new jack ass could start another fiefdom really pisses me off. They are on there way to really jacking the whole thing up and soon will all be replaced.
Hope the new folks making us look like shi# all fail and loose their jobs. That is what the talent department derserves.

Sorry there are so many guys getting screwed along the way.
 
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Yeah... You guys are right...

Wait a minute... What about the GREAT guys we ARE hiring???

Try to sit back and look at some FACTS before you try to start a mob.

1) We are still receiving applications from incredible pilots. (We are still hiring).
2) Many of those applications have letters of recommendation.
3) NetJets is meeting their hiring projections.
4) The training department is impressed with the knowledge, skill, and enthusiasm coming from the new hires.

Now, can it be done better? Sure. We are aware of the pitfalls, and the NEIC is working on it.

I suggest that you guys learn some facts before trying to start firing people, and instead of complaining about it endlessly (DIESEL) try to offer suggestions to improve it. (I didn't notice any of your suggestions on the NJASAP boards either. Just complaints). My phone number is posted on the NJASAP boards.

You are embarrassing yourselves, and making NetJets look bad.

Man up or shut up.
 
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In today's hiring "market" the NJA recruitment team seems to be in a Catch 22. Damned (by some) if they do make changes, yet damned if they don't do anything. Look at the experienced talent pool out there right now, very deep. It has got to be extremely tough to try and differentiate between then select the best candidates. I was lucky enough to be out there earlier this week and got a first hand look at things. I was very impressed by everyone I met and the way we were all welcomed and treated. First Class all the way. Now the wait. I hate this part too. I don't think it would be as much of a big deal if NJ wasn't such a great place to have a career.

As Fischman says they ARE getting great people to CMH. Those I interviewed with are top notch candidates who had impressive resumes and great personalities. If it were up to me I'd hire all of them. Best of luck to you all (you know who you are), I hope we can be in an indoc class together.
 
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I have not flown with one pilot including myself that admits that they think they would be able to be hired at NJ today... so you ask what they are looking for.. NO ONE KNOWS
 
applied yesterday and today got the "we will be in communication with you in the future" email. 4400TT, 1000 121 TPIC and a rec from a GV NJI Capt.
 
Yeah... You guys are right...

Wait a minute... What about the GREAT guys we ARE hiring???

Try to sit back and look at some FACTS before you try to start a mob.

1) We are still receiving applications from incredible pilots. (We are still hiring).
2) Many of those applications have letters of recommendation.
3) NetJets is meeting their hiring projections.
4) The training department is impressed with the knowledge, skill, and enthusiasm coming from the new hires.

Now, can it be done better? Sure. We are aware of the pitfalls, and the NEIC is working on it.

I suggest that you guys learn some facts before trying to start firing people, and instead of complaining about it endlessly (DIESEL) try to offer suggestions to improve it. (I didn't notice any of your suggestions on the NJASAP boards either. Just complaints). My phone number is posted on the NJASAP boards.

You are embarrassing yourselves, and making NetJets look bad.

Man up or shut up.
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The union might not understand this but it isn't their job to run the hiring department. The hiring department is too screwed up right now to figure out what they want. Yeah I got the stupid cards in the mail to hand out in terminals.... but a letter of rec from 5 pilots and the guy gets a "thanks but no thanks" letter. WTF.

The system is broke, the empire building is happening again. Why some in the union insist on trying to help the company re-engineer a system that the company screwed up is beyond me.

You never see the airlines having this problem, nor do they have uniform problems.... but we have to reinvent the wheel on that one too. (NJI Guys know what I'm talking about)

1) We are still receiving applications from incredible pilots. (We are still hiring).
How can you not be receiving applications? Jesus anybody with a pulse is sending a resume right now. Yet when we look at our own pilots recommending ideal candidates hmmmm thanks but no thanks. (maybe we don't understand the job enough)

2) Many of those applications have letters of recommendation.
Many? Like I said on the union weboard how many is many. 100 percent or 1 percent? We never got an answer....

3) NetJets is meeting their hiring projections.
No crap who couldn't meet their hiring restrictions with all the pilots on the street. Even some scumbag operator in south Florida has their in box full from 15000 hour guys.

4) The training department is impressed with the knowledge, skill, and enthusiasm coming from the new hires.
Great be impressed, but by the time they jump through all the hopes who wouldn't be impressed? I'm enthusiastic to have a job does that help? Its not even those that are hired we're screwing its the 4 pages of people asking when will they call? What do they want? Why does someone keep moving the goaline?

Hey its great the union is involved but its a mess. Either accept the fact it cluster F'd or don't. Remember you're a pilot not in HR.

D
 

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