What is NJ looking for?

[NoJoy]

Good post D. I got the no thanx email before the phone interview as well. My friends at NJ were surprised too. They were told to go out and recruite pilots, but so far the pilots they have recommended have not got an interview yet, or have not even made the phone interview. I am definately re-applying though. I am not giving up!

 

[fischman]

Diesel,

Honestly, what do you know about what the hiring dept does or does not do? Exactly who have you talked to? Exactly who have you given suggestions to? My guess is that you haven't talked to a soul. Is it not true that it is all only YOUR opinion, and you created how bad it is in your head? You have NO FACTS about the hiring process. Imagination is a wonderful thing! I already admitted there are issues, and admitted I am embarrassed about the communications before and after the applicant is in CMH. I also explained the union has no involvement in this.

No one claimed we (NJASAP) are trying to run the hiring dept. We actually have a small role. We are in the interview room conducting the "technical interview" and we help answer questions at lunch with the applicants. We help with the "aircraft fitting" at Bridgeway. That is it. I am going to go out on a limb and say that the applicants who see us in action in CMH are impressed. Can I get someone to back me up on this?

The hiring cards have been discussed at length. I guess you still don't get it. Pay attention, I am going to make this simple for you: Those cards are for you to hand out to pilots you meet on the road who are interested in NetJets INSTEAD OF HANDING OUT YOUR BUSINESS CARD. That is it. Simple huh?

I don't know what to tell you Diesel. It is not NetJet's responsibility to hire every pilot wanting to apply. Just because an applicant has 10,000 with 8,000 PIC doesn't mean he/she is qualified to fly for NJA. Flying an airplane is 20% of what we do, and you know that.

Re-read the union boards. I published the total apps, and those with LOR's. We can't take all of them.

Still waiting on suggestions, although I recommend you submit them on the union board.

 

[fischman]

Good post D. I got the no thanx email before the phone interview as well. My friends at NJ were surprised too. They were told to go out and recruite pilots (As I stated earlier, that is not what those cards are for. Your friends need to read the letter that came with it instead of jumping to conclusions.), but so far the pilots they have recommended have not got an interview yet, or have not even made the phone interview. I am definately re-applying though. I am not giving up!

Actually it is not a good post. It is the ramblings of someone ignorant of a situation. I have tried to explain this to Diesel ad nauseam on the NJASAP boards. He either refuses to listen, or doesn't understand.

I am growing tired of constantly correcting his misinformation.

 

[lookin4better]

so are the on file applications with reccs around 1000ish?

 

[fischman]

That number is accurate as of about a month ago. That number changes of course. I have no idea what the current number is.

 

[o2bflyn]

Diesel,


No one claimed we (NJASAP) are trying to run the hiring dept. We actually have a small role. We are in the interview room conducting the "technical interview" and we help answer questions at lunch with the applicants. We help with the "aircraft fitting" at Bridgeway. That is it. I am going to go out on a limb and say that the applicants who see us in action in CMH are impressed. Can I get someone to back me up on this?

.

I just got back from doing the interview in CMH and I can certainly attest to this. It is an impressive operation all around. At no time did I feel like the union was controlling anything with this process. I was made aware that one of my interviewers had union responsiblities and that was it.

It is an impressive operation. Yes, the communications during the process is a bit flawed, but I am sure that will work itself out with time.


Good luck too all.

 

[Fozzy]

Actually it is not a good post. It is the ramblings of someone ignorant of a situation. I have tried to explain this to Diesel ad nauseam on the NJASAP boards. He either refuses to listen, or doesn't understand.

I am growing tired of constantly correcting his misinformation.

Fischman,
I know you are working hard in this area. But this "new" department seems to be all screwed up. BTW what was wrong with the talent we were hiring last year? Seems like we fixed something that didn't really need fixing.

Guys, take the stupid cards and toss them out. Make no recommendations until they fix their house. They carry no weight anyways.
I was always disgusted with the way the majors went about hiring. Now look at us:0. Sad.

 

[imacdog]

"Talent Acquisition Team", LOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL oh geeeeeeezzzzzzzz

 

[Diesel]

Fisch why do you get so wrapped up in it? You're a pilot this is their mess. They want to piss off the best talent and those that think they would be a good fit.

I don't understand why we aren't focusing on those that have LOR's. We know these people and we know this job. Hmmmm maybe we might know if we can put two and two together.

But no we have to reinvent the wheel. I'm not saying do the whole grip and grin like fedex but the company should look to its own when deciding on who to hire.

New guy has to reinvent the wheel hmmm where did he come from.... Still not leaving PIT is he though?

You think people are pissed now wait till we flush the apps. Oooooh boy.

 

[learflyer]

you'd think that former/current frac guys would stand out. like i've said before, there were 4 frac guys in my interview group, and all were turned down. All good dudes, and we all were laughing and having a good time and hit it off. What other customer service could they want? Oh well, on with my life.

 

[FLYLOW22]

"Talent Acquisition Team", LOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL oh geeeeeeezzzzzzzz

I title all of my communications to Pilot Recruitment as Pilot Recruitment.

What a polished up turd of a name they came up with... TAT Team!!

 

[fischman]

Fisch why do you get so wrapped up in it? You're a pilot this is their mess. They want to piss off the best talent and those that think they would be a good fit.

I don't understand why we aren't focusing on those that have LOR's. We know these people and we know this job. Hmmmm maybe we might know if we can put two and two together.

But no we have to reinvent the wheel. I'm not saying do the whole grip and grin like fedex but the company should look to its own when deciding on who to hire.

New guy has to reinvent the wheel hmmm where did he come from.... Still not leaving PIT is he though?

You think people are pissed now wait till we flush the apps. Oooooh boy.

Sorry it took so long for a reply. Took the family to the lake this weekend.

I can't help but notice you didn't answer any of my questions. How B19 of you! (Just playin' with you man.)

I get "wrapped up" in it because I take this job extremely seriously. I work hard at it and would say passionate is an understatement. I am helping decide the future of our company, and the possible well being of all our families. I hope everyone appreciates that.

I don't know why we are focusing on all the LOR's either. If you do the math, we have over 1000 applications on file, 400-450 getting hired this year. That leaves 550-600 of everyones "highly qualified" friends that are going to be disappointed.

I'm curious if you have taken the time to contact JG and voice your concerns? His open door policy is just that. But, I'm guessing you haven't.

Remember Diesel: If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got. In other words, if all you are doing is complaining here on FI.com and NJASAP, nothing is going to change. Time to "man up."

 

[Diesel]

I have contacted JG but all I have is a Pittsburgh Area code. Hmmm wonder why?



We're not allowed to contact NJA they deleted me from the system.

 

[fischman]

Well, that would be a valid reason.

Don't worry. I'll pass on your concerns.

 

[turboshark]

NJA is looking for a new breed!

NJA is looking for a new breed of pilot. You may have the time and qualifications, but your personhood of superior customer care pilot is now required. NJA wants to take the company (pilots) to a higher level.

Crew and customer interaction skills will take you a long way in the interview. If you think you can just close the door between you and the clients, this is not the job for you. You must think now like a limo driver and not the bus driver.

 

[Diesel]

NJA is looking for a new breed of pilot. You may have the time and qualifications, but your personhood of superior customer care pilot is now required. NJA wants to take the company (pilots) to a higher level.

Crew and customer interaction skills will take you a long way in the interview. If you think you can just close the door between you and the clients, this is not the job for you. You must think now like a limo driver and not the bus driver.

versus what they've always been looking for?

Nothing has changed in that department. That's always been our focus.

Maybe we shouldn't have ex airline people in charge of hiring?

 

[freighterguy]

BINGO!!!!!!

If only we knew what really happened to DM.

FG

 

[Lou3]

BINGO!!!!!!

If only we knew what really happened to DM.

FG

That's what I'm talking about!

 

[realityman]

It's interesting, but I agree with Diesel and disagree at the same time.

I agree, in that making people wait for months to find out their status is ridiculous. Especially if they've already been told "you're hired, and we'll get back to you on class dates". So why are we making these folks wait? It is stupid.

On the flip side, I have to disagree with a few things too. Sorry Diesel, but as an IOE guy I can absolutely attest to the fact that the folks we're hiring now are FAR BETTER than what we've hired in years past. I agree in that I have no idea what NJA really wants, but whatever it is, it's working. Every single IOE candidate in the past year has displayed a work ethic heretofore completely unseen at this company. The attention to detail the newhires display is amazing. How they interact with the clients is far better than the beginners we've seen previously (yeah, they're better in most aspects than when I was hired too. Not putting myself above any of this).

I won't say they fly better than anyone else. Same old mixed bag there. Some are great. Some need a little tweaking. All come up to speed by the end of IOE. Same as everyone who's ever been hired here. But it's the rest of the job where they really shine. My life as an IOE instructor has been so much easier with these newhires.

You claim we're passing up incredibly qualified pilots. I agree. But you're missing the point that we're also hiring incredibly qualified pilots. The process may be screwed up, but it still appears to be working far better than it used to.

 

[Diesel]

I used to do ioe for a long time, through the new hire captains, the crazy times. So i appreciate your comments about how we are making sure the talent pool is better but I think a lot of that came with the fact that this is a much better job than it was in the past. In the past this was not really a choosen job. Now with the QOL through the roof there is just a much bigger pool to pick from.

At other airlines and cargo companies they understood that those who are working here understand what it takes to work here and can help reduce the volume. Sure take some outside people but look to our own first.

We always have to reinvent the wheel.... you gotta agree with that.