Comair Furloughing 300

[waveflyer]

haha

the only thing that can be agreed on now is that if it has your logo on the tail-- it needs ONE pilot group

sucks for all

 

[skiddriver]

I think you'll find that the pilots to be furloughed at Comair weren't on property when the MEC decided to refuse to help get furloughed Delta pilots the right to hire on without resigning from Delta.

To get someone who was a voting member of the union at Comair when that occured you'd have to go back to pre-2002 hires.

So your mean spirited glee at the Comair furloughees' coming difficulties is directed at the wrong people.

 

[XJohXJ]

Mistakes were made by Regional pilots.

Mistakes were made by Legacy/Mainline pilots.

Mistakes were made by non-union pilots.

Mistakes were made by ALPA pilots.

Didn't you're parents ever teach you that we are all human and everyone makes mistakes?

Didn't you're parents ever teach you that everyone makes decisions which they will later regret?

Hell, even a casual TV watcher knows the truth of "Live together, did alone.."

And we all know damn well that management understands the value of the ancient technique of "divide and conquer".

Many pilots are trying to take steps towards INCREASING unity. Sure, there is no shortage of bad blood from bad decisions made in the past. A lot of the folks (not all) responsible are already retired and gone. There is movement now to try to build unity within some brands across pilot groups. ALPA is even at least beginning to take steps to establish cooperation between pilot groups.

It's time to put the past behind us and work together to save our future. Otherwise it will only be the management groups that continue to obscenely profit from all of this mess we are in.

It's time to grow up again and start working together.

Yeah, I know, time to get off the soapbox...

 

[Capn Butthead]

Allright.........im tired of this.

I was a Comair pilot for a long time. By the grace of God I was able to move on. I was on strike there and went through 9/11 like everyone. I am very thankful for everyone Mainline and Regional pilots who supported us and who all came together to help each other out. These are very tough times for ALL!

With that being said, I know that it sucked that Comair did not hire Delta people. Why didnt they? I dont know. It was never put to a vote to the pilots.

BUT, go back and check the notes from 2000 when Comair pilots wanted to merge seniority lists for Delta and Delta Connection. Your egos about small jets hid you from the truth. I dont know of anyone at Comair who wanted a one for one. Most people wanted a staple with a furlough fence. It was stated that there may be a point in time where Mainline was getting rid of people while at the same time the regionals (all of them!) were hiring. Your mec turned a cold shoulder to that! So.........it is a screw up by BOTH mec's. Ego's got the best of everyone.

I always wanted to go to Southwest, so I am very happy. I never applied to Delta so I was not looking for a free ticket to Delta. I like the flying and the people at SWA so thats why I wanted to come here. With that said I have a lot or respect for you guys. Yall do some very difficult flying that is very challenging. I have never once said anything bad about Delta pilots.

Just food for thought

 

[CRJFlyer]

apply to Netjets...you'll live longer and eat better...

 

[acarpe3448]

While I dont like to hear anyone losing their job, I sadly say that I for one really dont lose any sleep over the Comair pilots. During our furlough postt 9-11 the Comair pilots were all about looking out for themselves. They could not have given a $hit about any of us being on the street for 3 years. They made a senority grab, they filed the RJDC lawsuit so they could under cut us and get as many aircraft, as much flying, and as big an aircraft as possible at the expense of our pilots, myself included. Comair pilots wrote up that bull$hit clause that said for dumb reasons they did not support hiring our pilots unless they resigned their senortiy numbers. Comair pilots have always thaught of themselves only, and this could not happen to a nicer group of pilots. My big question is to see how well they treat their own furloughed pilots. Will they be providing cobra payments, will they be sending Christmas checks? Let me know if anyone needs to know how to extend your unemployment benefits? Life is fair!

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

There were just as many ASA pilots in the RJDC as Comair pilots. And please don't forget, none of the soon-to-be furloughees were at Comair during 2001.

 

[acarpe3448]

There were just as many ASA pilots in the RJDC as Comair pilots. And please don't forget, none of the soon-to-be furloughees were at Comair during 2001.

ASA pilots did not fight having furloughed Delta pilots fly there. As far as who is being furloughed at Comair, does not matter. Their shrinking and furloughing, taste the $hit sandwich! Lots of job opportunities at Macd's, or KFC!

 

[imacdog]

Hi Acarpe, it's me again. Would you mind explaining why you are happy to see pilots who have nothing to do with your little squabble lose their jobs?

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

ASA pilots did not fight having furloughed Delta pilots fly there.

Then that sort of negates your argument that it was Comair pilots who tried to "grab" your seniority.


As far as who is being furloughed at Comair, does not matter. Their shrinking and furloughing, taste the $hit sandwich! Lots of job opportunities at Macd's, or KFC!

Boy, what a classy guy. It appears that the Comair MEC made the right call in keeping caring individuals like yourself away. With $140 oil, you should try and be a bit nicer. Delta certainly isn't out of the woods yet. Ever hear of karma?

 

[OPECJet]

Hi Acarpe, it's me again. Would you mind explaining why you are happy to see pilots who have nothing to do with your little squabble lose their jobs?

Because, like any pilot who enjoys seeing other pilots lose their jobs, he's a jerkoff.....

 

[PuffDriver]

Mistakes were made by Regional pilots.

Mistakes were made by Legacy/Mainline pilots.

Mistakes were made by non-union pilots.

Mistakes were made by ALPA pilots.

Didn't you're parents ever teach you that we are all human and everyone makes mistakes?

Didn't you're parents ever teach you that everyone makes decisions which they will later regret?

Hell, even a casual TV watcher knows the truth of "Live together, did alone.."

And we all know damn well that management understands the value of the ancient technique of "divide and conquer".

Many pilots are trying to take steps towards INCREASING unity. Sure, there is no shortage of bad blood from bad decisions made in the past. A lot of the folks (not all) responsible are already retired and gone. There is movement now to try to build unity within some brands across pilot groups. ALPA is even at least beginning to take steps to establish cooperation between pilot groups.

It's time to put the past behind us and work together to save our future. Otherwise it will only be the management groups that continue to obscenely profit from all of this mess we are in.

It's time to grow up again and start working together.

Yeah, I know, time to get off the soapbox...

Nope. It was all Comair. Sorry, but true. To the Comair junior guys on the board, I truly feel for your position. Hopefully, your pilots will take care of you as our pilots took care of our furloughed with regard to monetary and health care issues.

Delta pilots played their part fine. They were willing to expend negotiating capital on flow through agreements with our wholly owneds. Your senior, however, wanted more than Delta pilots were willing to give. They wanted our seats, and overplayed their hand with regard to making a power play. On your way out the door that they are holding open for you from back in the early part of the decade, you might take a moment to poo in their flight case.

All Delta pilots realize that these furloughees were not the ones responsible, and it is really too bad that it has to be this way.

Perhaps Compass might be a good place to relocate, as there will be good relations and flow agreements in place.

My sincere condolences to you, if indeed the furlough materializes.

 

[Axel]

... doesn't this belong in the Regional area.

That depends on the motive of the thread starter. If his purpose was to was whack a hornets' nest the Majors board would be the perfect place for it. It would appear that he has succeeded admirably.

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Strangely enough, I feel like it was all Delta. Like the ones I remember heckling us while we were walking on the picket lines. Of course, I'm sure you're one of the 4000 Delta guys who claims he brought pizza and coffee over to our strike center, or walked the line with us. Funny thing is, I was there probably 75 of the 89 days, and the only guest-walkers I recall had a photographer with them. As for bringing food and drinks, that did indeed happen...about 4 times I was there, and it was greatly appreciated. There are clearly tons of awesome Delta guys. But guys like A"crap"e who delight in others' misfortune aren't one of them.

Nope. It was all Comair. Sorry, but true. To the Comair junior guys on the board, I truly feel for your position. Hopefully, your pilots will take care of you as our pilots took care of our furloughed with regard to monetary and health care issues.

Delta pilots played their part fine. They were willing to expend negotiating capital on flow through agreements with our wholly owneds. Your senior, however, wanted more than Delta pilots were willing to give. They wanted our seats, and overplayed their hand with regard to making a power play. On your way out the door that they are holding open for you from back in the early part of the decade, you might take a moment to poo in their flight case.

All Delta pilots realize that these furloughees were not the ones responsible, and it is really too bad that it has to be this way.

Perhaps Compass might be a good place to relocate, as there will be good relations and flow agreements in place.

My sincere condolences to you, if indeed the furlough materializes.

 

[Hovernut]

Must be Cicada season again, ASSCARPE has crawled out of his hole.