Comair Furloughing 300

[acarpe3448]

While I dont like to hear anyone losing their job, I sadly say that I for one really dont lose any sleep over the Comair pilots. During our furlough postt 9-11 the Comair pilots were all about looking out for themselves. They could not have given a $hit about any of us being on the street for 3 years. They made a senority grab, they filed the RJDC lawsuit so they could under cut us and get as many aircraft, as much flying, and as big an aircraft as possible at the expense of our pilots, myself included. Comair pilots wrote up that bull$hit clause that said for dumb reasons they did not support hiring our pilots unless they resigned their senortiy numbers. Comair pilots have always thaught of themselves only, and this could not happen to a nicer group of pilots. My big question is to see how well they treat their own furloughed pilots. Will they be providing cobra payments, will they be sending Christmas checks? Let me know if anyone needs to know how to extend your unemployment benefits? Life is fair!

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

There were just as many ASA pilots in the RJDC as Comair pilots. And please don't forget, none of the soon-to-be furloughees were at Comair during 2001.

 

[acarpe3448]

There were just as many ASA pilots in the RJDC as Comair pilots. And please don't forget, none of the soon-to-be furloughees were at Comair during 2001.

ASA pilots did not fight having furloughed Delta pilots fly there. As far as who is being furloughed at Comair, does not matter. Their shrinking and furloughing, taste the $hit sandwich! Lots of job opportunities at Macd's, or KFC!

 

[imacdog]

Hi Acarpe, it's me again. Would you mind explaining why you are happy to see pilots who have nothing to do with your little squabble lose their jobs?

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

ASA pilots did not fight having furloughed Delta pilots fly there.

Then that sort of negates your argument that it was Comair pilots who tried to "grab" your seniority.


As far as who is being furloughed at Comair, does not matter. Their shrinking and furloughing, taste the $hit sandwich! Lots of job opportunities at Macd's, or KFC!

Boy, what a classy guy. It appears that the Comair MEC made the right call in keeping caring individuals like yourself away. With $140 oil, you should try and be a bit nicer. Delta certainly isn't out of the woods yet. Ever hear of karma?

 

[OPECJet]

Hi Acarpe, it's me again. Would you mind explaining why you are happy to see pilots who have nothing to do with your little squabble lose their jobs?

Because, like any pilot who enjoys seeing other pilots lose their jobs, he's a jerkoff.....

 

[PuffDriver]

Mistakes were made by Regional pilots.

Mistakes were made by Legacy/Mainline pilots.

Mistakes were made by non-union pilots.

Mistakes were made by ALPA pilots.

Didn't you're parents ever teach you that we are all human and everyone makes mistakes?

Didn't you're parents ever teach you that everyone makes decisions which they will later regret?

Hell, even a casual TV watcher knows the truth of "Live together, did alone.."

And we all know damn well that management understands the value of the ancient technique of "divide and conquer".

Many pilots are trying to take steps towards INCREASING unity. Sure, there is no shortage of bad blood from bad decisions made in the past. A lot of the folks (not all) responsible are already retired and gone. There is movement now to try to build unity within some brands across pilot groups. ALPA is even at least beginning to take steps to establish cooperation between pilot groups.

It's time to put the past behind us and work together to save our future. Otherwise it will only be the management groups that continue to obscenely profit from all of this mess we are in.

It's time to grow up again and start working together.

Yeah, I know, time to get off the soapbox...

Nope. It was all Comair. Sorry, but true. To the Comair junior guys on the board, I truly feel for your position. Hopefully, your pilots will take care of you as our pilots took care of our furloughed with regard to monetary and health care issues.

Delta pilots played their part fine. They were willing to expend negotiating capital on flow through agreements with our wholly owneds. Your senior, however, wanted more than Delta pilots were willing to give. They wanted our seats, and overplayed their hand with regard to making a power play. On your way out the door that they are holding open for you from back in the early part of the decade, you might take a moment to poo in their flight case.

All Delta pilots realize that these furloughees were not the ones responsible, and it is really too bad that it has to be this way.

Perhaps Compass might be a good place to relocate, as there will be good relations and flow agreements in place.

My sincere condolences to you, if indeed the furlough materializes.

 

[Axel]

... doesn't this belong in the Regional area.

That depends on the motive of the thread starter. If his purpose was to was whack a hornets' nest the Majors board would be the perfect place for it. It would appear that he has succeeded admirably.

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Strangely enough, I feel like it was all Delta. Like the ones I remember heckling us while we were walking on the picket lines. Of course, I'm sure you're one of the 4000 Delta guys who claims he brought pizza and coffee over to our strike center, or walked the line with us. Funny thing is, I was there probably 75 of the 89 days, and the only guest-walkers I recall had a photographer with them. As for bringing food and drinks, that did indeed happen...about 4 times I was there, and it was greatly appreciated. There are clearly tons of awesome Delta guys. But guys like A"crap"e who delight in others' misfortune aren't one of them.

Nope. It was all Comair. Sorry, but true. To the Comair junior guys on the board, I truly feel for your position. Hopefully, your pilots will take care of you as our pilots took care of our furloughed with regard to monetary and health care issues.

Delta pilots played their part fine. They were willing to expend negotiating capital on flow through agreements with our wholly owneds. Your senior, however, wanted more than Delta pilots were willing to give. They wanted our seats, and overplayed their hand with regard to making a power play. On your way out the door that they are holding open for you from back in the early part of the decade, you might take a moment to poo in their flight case.

All Delta pilots realize that these furloughees were not the ones responsible, and it is really too bad that it has to be this way.

Perhaps Compass might be a good place to relocate, as there will be good relations and flow agreements in place.

My sincere condolences to you, if indeed the furlough materializes.

 

[Hovernut]

Must be Cicada season again, ASSCARPE has crawled out of his hole.

 

[WateryGrave]

ASA pilots did not fight having furloughed Delta pilots fly there. As far as who is being furloughed at Comair, does not matter. Their shrinking and furloughing, taste the $hit sandwich! Lots of job opportunities at Macd's, or KFC!

You bitter angry little man.... no worries, Karma has a way of dealing with people like you.

Cheers!

 

[PuffDriver]

Strangely enough, I feel like it was all Delta. Like the ones I remember heckling us while we were walking on the picket lines. Of course, I'm sure you're one of the 4000 Delta guys who claims he brought pizza and coffee over to our strike center, or walked the line with us. Funny thing is, I was there probably 75 of the 89 days, and the only guest-walkers I recall had a photographer with them. As for bringing food and drinks, that did indeed happen...about 4 times I was there, and it was greatly appreciated. There are clearly tons of awesome Delta guys. But guys like A"crap"e who delight in others' misfortune aren't one of them.

You can feel like that all you want. You are wrong. I was part of the Delta team that helped START UP your strike center in MCO because you guys had no idea how to do it. I didn't bring food to the line, I brought money. Right out of my own pocket. Your guys thought they had the power to force ALPAs hand on an issue that the Delta pilots did not want. They were grossly wrong, and got spanked, sued, and got spanked again. In the meantime, innocent Comair pilots are going to bear the brunt while your "representative" senior kill any hopes of advancement, at least at Delta.

So the "karma", which so many are talking about, may indeed be rearing its ugly head, only for the Comair guys.

 

[flyboyike]

While I dont like to hear anyone losing their job, I sadly say that I for one really dont lose any sleep over the Comair pilots. During our furlough postt 9-11 the Comair pilots were all about looking out for themselves. They could not have given a $hit about any of us being on the street for 3 years. They made a senority grab, they filed the RJDC lawsuit so they could under cut us and get as many aircraft, as much flying, and as big an aircraft as possible at the expense of our pilots, myself included. Comair pilots wrote up that bull$hit clause that said for dumb reasons they did not support hiring our pilots unless they resigned their senortiy numbers. Comair pilots have always thaught of themselves only, and this could not happen to a nicer group of pilots. My big question is to see how well they treat their own furloughed pilots. Will they be providing cobra payments, will they be sending Christmas checks? Let me know if anyone needs to know how to extend your unemployment benefits? Life is fair!

In other words, you expected the Comair MEC to get Comair mgmt to do something that's not even in the contract, when they can't even get them to honor what is in the contract. Is that about right?

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Boy, it's a good thing you Delta guys showed the little peons at Comair how to open a strike center. That must be because you guys have been on strike so many times and know how to do it. Oh wait, that's right, you pansies have ALWAYS caved. Now if only all of the Navy helo pilots there can show the rest of us how to REALLY fly...

 

[PuffDriver]

Boy, it's a good thing you Delta guys showed the little peons at Comair how to open a strike center. That must be because you guys have been on strike so many times and know how to do it. Oh wait, that's right, you pansies have ALWAYS caved. Now if only all of the Navy helo pilots there can show the rest of us how to REALLY fly...

I know that it is hard to accept for you egomaniacs, but indeed we had to show you how to open a strike center. You struck and got next to nothing in return except some paid time off on the backs of your ALPA, APA, SWAPA brothers.

We caved? Ok, if that makes you feel better. I personally feel as if getting the best contract in the history of airlines is not "caving", but your opinion is your opinion. Meanwhile, facts are facts.

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

See, here's the really funny part...You Delta egomaniacs actually think you had to show the Comair guys how to open a strike center. When have you guys ever been on strike?

As for the "next to nothing" comment, at the time it was the best contract in the regional segment. While certainly not up to mainline contract levels, the 2001 Comair contract had the highest payrates and best work rules in that segment. The same forces that destroyed your contract is what happened to the gains the Comair guys earned.

And clearly you guys got a great contract in 2001. But how many times has Delta caved in the past, versus gone on strike? Oh that's right...there's over 80 years of history showing that you guys have caved every single time. And then there's that bothersome "Delta eats their young" reputation. At least you guys tried to change it this last time. But I will say you guys have some sweet blazers.

I know that it is hard to accept for you egomaniacs, but indeed we had to show you how to open a strike center. You struck and got next to nothing in return except some paid time off on the backs of your ALPA, APA, SWAPA brothers.

We caved? Ok, if that makes you feel better. I personally feel as if getting the best contract in the history of airlines is not "caving", but your opinion is your opinion. Meanwhile, facts are facts.

 

[PuffDriver]

See, here's the really funny part...You Delta egomaniacs actually think you had to show the Comair guys how to open a strike center. When have you guys ever been on strike?

Wy don't you stay on topic? There is a big difference between strike prep and going on strike. it is akin to building the nuke and dropping a nuke. Anybody can walk in an oval. To set up the control center, with the associated communications channels, media outlets, recruiting personnel is really the brunt of the work--the work Comair had no idea how to do. We have not had to go on strike. With the real power in the Delta family, Delta has not been willing to weather our strike, and we have not been forced to drop the nuke--the same nuke BTW that would take Comair down as well. Comair did NOT take Delta down.

As for the "next to nothing" comment, at the time it was the best contract in the regional segment. While certainly not up to mainline contract levels, the 2001 Comair contract had the highest payrates and best work rules in that segment. The same forces that destroyed your contract is what happened to the gains the Comair guys earned.

True enough, but the POINT was that the pre-strike contract offer and the final offer were essentially the same. As I said, the Comair guys essentially got a free vacation paid for by other pilots.

And clearly you guys got a great contract in 2001. But how many times has Delta caved in the past, versus gone on strike? Oh that's right...there's over 80 years of history showing that you guys have caved every single time. And then there's that bothersome "Delta eats their young" reputation. At least you guys tried to change it this last time. But I will say you guys have some sweet blazers.

Whew, and Comair has gone on strike, once? Wow, you sure got me. 1 strike with nothing more to show for it than what the company offered pre-strike. I'll take our non-strike and MY financial status from the lack thereof over your ineffective strike and your financial status. Eating our young? Yet another deflect and divert tactic from the issue at hand. But ok, paying Cobra indefinitely and outright giving money to pilots on furlough and in need constitutes eating our young. Fair enough. Your opinion only, but fair enough. Let's see if Comair pilots will cough it up for their furloughees--once again taking their hints from Delta, or if they will just cut them loose. For that matter, if the Comair senior had agreed to flow through protections, all of this may very well have been unnecessary. Comair RJDC guys are on record many times as saying that if Delta guys had agreed to one list that Comair pilots would have been getting furloughed instead of Delta guys. Speaking of being willing to eat your young!!

You need to give it up little man, you are getting spanked ala Joe Merchant an your Cessna buddy.

 

[N2264J]

...you are getting spanked ala Joe Merchant an your Cessna buddy.

In your mind, Poindexter.

Now go finish ironing your award winning collection of ascots.

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

You're right. We should stay on topic. The topic is yet another jerkoff Delta anus was taking delight in a bunch of newhire pilots losing their jobs. Let's talk about that some more. Or should we talk about how long before Big D goes bankrupt again with $140 oil?

 

[PuffDriver]

In your mind, Poindexter.

Now go finish ironing your award winning collection of ascots.

Yawn.