To ALL UNITED pilots courtesy of ALL UAX carriers and their pilots

[CesnaCaptn]

I'm not advocating a jumpseat war, but this reminds me of a jumpseat war between SkyWest and United back in 2000. United changed SkyWest's priority so it was equal to all non-united/UAX. The SkyWest pilots were first come first serve just as an AA, DL, NW pilot would be.

SkyWest pilots returned the favor and started to allow offline pilots who showed up first into their jumpseats. The "jumpseat war" was affective in getting the priorty changed. This was back when the EMB-120 was flying many commuters in their jumpseat into gems like SBA, SAN, SBP, MRY, etc.

 

[Freeze_gopher]

I think this is a bad idea. Problems with management do not necessitate fighting with other pilots. I will not advocate the denial of jumpseats whether it's a bluff or not.

 

[relief tube]

not that a captain like's even taking gojets guys anyway and would let this happen, but do ya know gojets pilots have priority over the JS on other UAX planes.....as in bumping a guy who actually flies that plane.

unbelievable

 

[Scope out RJ's]

The fact is, mainline pilots feel as though they own the regional seats....Both in back and in the cockpit....For years Delta has tried to get priority on Connection seats....

Looks like the regional folks are getting fed up with that entitlement attitude....

It would not surprise be one bit if the United MEC likes the current situation and won't push to change it unless something like this is done....

Why do you continue to make this stuff up? Seems the only one who believes you is, well, you. I understand your fear and frustration being stuck at asa, but face it school boy, you're stuck, deal with it. Regionals are being dropped like the parsley on a plate at a truck stop diner, and your job is now not so secure.

 

[Mike man]

Gee, if they're this mad over this, wait till the UA guys start flowing back to the LEFT SEAT of those little jets!!

...won't happen as much this time, does UAL even have a wholly owned? Didn't Eagle end the flow back? And lots of the deal last time were J4J (Jets For Jobs) seats and since everyone is cutting capacity there will be no new RJ's.

If this does not get fixed, when the flow back guys are trying to commute the gate will deny them and give the seat to a real mainline pilot even if it is on their "own" carrier.

 

[PCL_128]

And lots of the deal last time were J4J (Jets For Jobs) seats and since everyone is cutting capacity there will be no new RJ's.

UAL has announced a multi-year growth plan for UAX. They apparently have no plans to shrink the RJ fleet, even as the mainline fleet takes huge hits.

 

[Freeze_gopher]

I will ask UAL pilots to help but, I will never advocate denial of a jumpseat. Realistically speaking, this glitch isn't fair but it is an inconvenience. 1450 UAL guys are going to be on the street soon should we even expect them to put this on top of the pile of problems that they're dealing with? You've got to pick your battles and this one seems ill advised.

 

[eaglesview]

Unless it's severe clear I don't have the nerve to have them wonder boys fly me home anyway.

For the record I do not agree with my own words. I was pissed at the arrogance of using the jumpseat as a weapon/political tool and pissed at the apathy of UAL’s management.

 

[JoeMerchant]

For the record I do not agree with my own words. I was pissed at the arrogance of using the jumpseat as a weapon/political tool and pissed at the apathy of UAL’s management.

Apparantly this is a United MEC policy.....

 

[eaglesview]

Apparantly this is a United MEC policy.....

I don't think so. ( I could be wrong) When United changed the boarding priority on UAX (pass riding) this got caught up in it. Getting UAL to change the program is the problem.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I don't think so. ( I could be wrong) When United changed the boarding priority on UAX (pass riding) this got caught up in it. Getting UAL to change the program is the problem.

So did United pilots want non-rev priority on Express flights too? Any UAX folks want to chime in this....?

 

[bmpilot2003]

For the record I do not agree with my own words. I was pissed at the arrogance of using the jumpseat as a weapon/political tool and pissed at the apathy of UAL’s management.

Why at UAL management? UAL MEC was the first to make this change and UAL management agreed to it.

 

[bmpilot2003]

I don't think so. ( I could be wrong) When United changed the boarding priority on UAX (pass riding) this got caught up in it. Getting UAL to change the program is the problem.

Initially the carriers went to UAL management but were then told to go talk to UAL MEC they were the ones that wanted the change. We are here today because the UAL MEC did not want to change the prioity back.

 

[PCL_128]

Initially the carriers went to UAL management but were then told to go talk to UAL MEC they were the ones that wanted the change. We are here today because the UAL MEC did not want to change the prioity back.

Even your own UAX management disagrees with this. I talked with a friend who is in flt ops management at one of the large UAX carriers, and he claims that this is just a software issue on UAL's part. The UAL MEC may not be actively lobbying to fix it, but the problem apparently didn't originate with them.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Even your own UAX management disagrees with this. I talked with a friend who is in flt ops management at one of the large UAX carriers, and he claims that this is just a software issue on UAL's part. The UAL MEC may not be actively lobbying to fix it, but the problem apparently didn't originate with them.

....Sure it didn't....It's well known that mainline pilots think they own all the seats on the express aircraft....They got caught....Now they need to fix it or suffer the consequences......

 

[RedRum]

Then please tell everyone what is the way to fix this.
This is the only way the UAL pilots will listen and trust me they will listen and It will get fixed!

Isn't it sort of Bush League to show up for a flight at someone else's airline and think that you have priority over their own pilot? Regardless of what the CSA is saying? Where is the captain's authority in this? It is a glitch. I can't see a mainline guy being PO'd if he/she is a reasonable person if they are second to a pilot riding on their own carrier!

Isn't this sort of making a mountain out a moll hill? I wonder how many times this comes up on a daily basis.

I would just like to see the mainline guy (and I am one) that tries to pull rank on me if I am trying to jumpseat on my own regional carrier. Sometimes you just have to do the right thing. Is this really as big an issue as it sounds?

 

[fareview]

For the record I do not agree with my own words. I was pissed at the arrogance of using the jumpseat as a weapon/political tool and pissed at the apathy of UAL’s management.

Understandable...hope it gets rectified.

Respectfully,

fv

 

[jtf]

How about have the express captains ask the gate agents for the list of those who want to jumpseat whenever they bring the paperwork or when the captain goes to the gate. Then let the Captain settle it with who they want on their airplane in the agreed to order. Maybe this will slow things down enough and make enough flights late that management will decide to fix the problem themselves so that flights are a bit more on time. Just my ignorant thoughts on the matter- haven't been a Captain for a couple of years and I don't know if the system could be gotten around in this way or not in todays times. Sounds like a raw deal, but full blown jump seat denial seems pretty nuclear- lose/ lose to me.

 

[eaglesview]

So did United pilots want non-rev priority on Express flights too? Any UAX folks want to chime in this....?

NO the priority on UAX for us UAL'rs was based on time of check in. The change was to base the UAL employee’s priority amongst ourselves based on DOH.

 

[eaglesview]

I do not believe any of us (UAL) has a problem getting bumped off a jumpseat by a pilot or dispatcher that works for said airline. It's just common sense.