USAPA sues some America West Pilots

[PCL_128]

It is true, United pilot signed it, Continental pilot refused.

Not true.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

The best solution is for this place to go out of business all together. You see that way we can rid the earth of the east scab mentailty...

WD.

 

[eaglesview]

The best solution is for this place to go out of business all together. You see that way we can rid the earth of the east scab mentailty...

WD.

One of the only folks who actually hopes an airline goes out of business. ??

 

[PCL_128]

One of the only folks who actually hopes an airline goes out of business. ??

The fact that he wants his own airline to go out of business is pretty telling of just how much USCABA is trying to rape him.

 

[PlaneDrvr]

You're simply guessing that they've conformed to all RLA laws. The impending DFR lawsuit, that is getting easier to prove by the day, is just waiting for those morons to introduce section 22 during negotiations.

Then we'll see whose conforming to the law. The Nic. award process was legal, agreed to, final and binding. There is no doubt about that. Therefore, your smug statement of "Duly elected" doesn't mean crap to me. This game can go both ways.

Well, don't have a dog in this fight, but just thought I would let you know that it is normally 'very difficult' to win a DFR suit. How did that whole DFR thing work out for the TWA pilots? And, how about all the other DFR suits that have been filed over the years and most have never gone anywhere. Point being, whatever 'new' list is put in place, if it has reasonable conditions and restrictions to protect an employee's position and career progression; and most of all, if it is deemed to be 'fair' then that is all the court will look at. All the court normally looks at is if the list is 'fair' and reasonable.

And, if are betting that the new union would be obligated to use the previous arbitration award, then you are probably going to be disappointed. You will have to look at the difference between a 'private arbitration' and a NMB ordered arbitration?? The arbitration, like any seniority integration award, means Nothing, until it is incorporated into a CBA (collective bargaining agreement).

My advice (not that you will take it) is to get involved in the new union and work toward a solution that Everyone can live with. If you are betting totally on 'winning' what you want in the courts; you will probably spend mucho $$$$, years of time, and in the end, probably lose. Not a smart gamble, but what the he!!, go for it, no one ever said pilots were supposed to be smart.

For what its worth.

PD

 

[eaglesview]

The fact that he wants his own airline to go out of business is pretty telling of just how much USCABA is trying to rape him.

I will give the benefit of the doubt that he actually is a USAir/AW pilot. I still say that anyone who’s desire is to send 5000+ pilots to the street is a bit soft

 

[PCL_128]

Well, don't have a dog in this fight, but just thought I would let you know that it is normally 'very difficult' to win a DFR suit.

Yep, but this one is pretty much a slam dunk case.

 

[PlaneDrvr]

Yep, but this one is pretty much a slam dunk case.

NO such thing. Sorry, Mr. PFT. Any lawyer that tells you or anyone else that a case is a "slam dunk case" is either a fool or an idiot. And, believe me this case a farrrrrrrrr from a slam dunk, again sorry. And, what happens when they spend big $$$$, and years of time, and lose??

Again, old great alpa chearleader one, tell me how that whole DFR thing worked out for the TWA guys?? I never heard how that turned out, did they win??

PD

 

[get2flyin]

NO such thing. Sorry, Mr. PFT. Any lawyer that tells you or anyone else that a case is a "slam dunk case" is either a fool or an idiot. And, believe me this case a farrrrrrrrr from a slam dunk, again sorry. And, what happens when they spend big $$$$, and years of time, and lose??

Really? Because I understand the East negotiators told the East boys DOH was a slam dunk with Nic. So maybe it's not the lawyer that's an idiot; maybe it's the client. But hey, that's just my opinion and I may be wrong...

The only winners here are going to be USAPA's AWESOME team of legal experts.

 

[imacdog]

And, what happens when they spend big $$$$, and years of time, and lose??

What happens when USAPA spends big $$$$, years of time, and loses on their new list idea?

 

[PCL_128]

Again, old great alpa chearleader one, tell me how that whole DFR thing worked out for the TWA guys?? I never heard how that turned out, did they win??

That case is still ongoing. Didn't situation, though, since that case has absolutely zero merit. The West pilots have a clear DFR case here. There's simply no disputing it.

 

[TWA Dude]

Continental pilot refused to sign it.

Obviously you haven't actually read the Nicolau Award. Just so everybody else can see how USAPA-like you are, here's the final paragraph of the Award, written by the Continental pilot you refer to:

Finally I would like to a reaffirm my opinion that Chairman Nicolau demonstrated exceptional judgment and wisdom working through many very difficult and challenging issues including the disparate aircraft types, routes, compensation systems, and pilot staffing formulas to mention just a few. It has been a privilege to work together with Chairman Nicolau and Captain Gillen on this Opinion and Award.



Dated: May 1, 2007


Captain James P Brucia
Pilot Neutral

 

[TWA Dude]

My advice (not that you will take it) is to get involved in the new union and work toward a solution that Everyone can live with.

Thanks for your thoughts. We Westies are well aware of all the issues you mentioned. The problem with your above quote is that the Easties will try to impose their will on us no matter how much we cooperate or vote. Therefore, there is no solution Everyone can live with.

 

[Ocity]

NO such thing. Sorry, Mr. PFT. Any lawyer that tells you or anyone else that a case is a "slam dunk case" is either a fool or an idiot. And, believe me this case a farrrrrrrrr from a slam dunk, again sorry. And, what happens when they spend big $$$$, and years of time, and lose??

Again, old great alpa chearleader one, tell me how that whole DFR thing worked out for the TWA guys?? I never heard how that turned out, did they win??

PD

Okay, I'll "believe you"...Clearly you're the expert.

 

[Raoul Duke]

So are they going to sue everyone who denies them a jumpseat? What a bunch of tools

 

[cactusboy53]

CB, could you post what these 10 + 18 are being taken to court over.

T8

Trainer;
Thanks for the ask. Here's a link for the original lawsuit filed:

http://www.planebusiness.com/buzz/awausapa.pdf

Regards.

 

[cactusboy53]

TWA;
Good to see you watching. Please don't confuse some of our readers with facts.

 

[get2flyin]

Obviously you haven't actually read the Nicolau Award. Just so everybody else can see how USAPA-like you are, here's the final paragraph of the Award, written by the Continental pilot you refer to:

Finally I would like to a reaffirm my opinion that Chairman Nicolau demonstrated exceptional judgment and wisdom working through many very difficult and challenging issues including the disparate aircraft types, routes, compensation systems, and pilot staffing formulas to mention just a few. It has been a privilege to work together with Chairman Nicolau and Captain Gillen on this Opinion and Award.



Dated: May 1, 2007


Captain James P Brucia
Pilot Neutral

Aw, man...you beat me to it! I can't help but wonder if these geniuses who thinks the Nic award was written by an incompetent old fool have actually read it. I'm guessing the answer is no. But hey, why argue facts when having tantrums and arguing emotional drivel is such fun!:laugh:

 

[glasspilot1]

That case is still ongoing. Didn't situation, though, since that case has absolutely zero merit. The West pilots have a clear DFR case here. There's simply no disputing it.

So the West guys have a clear DFR case but the TWA vs ALPO case has "absolutely no merit?"

 

[eaglesview]

So are they going to sue everyone who denies them a jumpseat? What a bunch of tools

No jumpseat denials here! East or west all are welcome.