USAPA sues some America West Pilots

[get2flyin]

ALPA threw themselves under that bus and several others. As far as getting sued goes; one would think that if you have enough intelligence to get your airline job you have enough intelligence to know when you are breaking the law. I don’t feel sorry for them.

No, the EAST MEC might have have sucked, but when push came to shove the East all blamed National. Pretty weak. I'm not saying National doesn't suck, but I am saying you can't blame them for the sorry condition the Pilots were in because the MEC did such a piss-poor job. The pilots voted them in, they could have voted them back out.

 

[get2flyin]

I look forward to the judgement against you and I hope they take it all the way to termination. You give Eastern pilots a bad name.

You make FO Bradford so proud! Congratulations!

More Kool-aid anyone?

 

[eaglesview]

No, the EAST MEC might have have sucked, but when push came to shove the East all blamed National. Pretty weak. I'm not saying National doesn't suck, but I am saying you can't blame them for the sorry condition the Pilots were in because the MEC did such a piss-poor job. The pilots voted them in, they could have voted them back out.

Even your average line pilot could look at the “list according to nic’s world” and see ALPA getting thrown out, yet the “professionals at Herndon” who have to sign off on such things couldn’t see it

 

[Ocity]

Even your average line pilot could look at the “list according to nic’s world” and see ALPA getting thrown out, yet the “professionals at Herndon” who have to sign off on such things couldn’t see it

It was final and binding. What do you think Nationals options were? None. I repeat so that maybe it sinks in a little better this time; NONE. Only FO Bradford and his parasitic lawyer believe that if you just change your name, You can Change the List.

I can't believe how much fundamental misunderstanding there is regarding Alpa nationals role in MEC affairs. It's pathetic.

 

[eaglesview]

It was final and binding. What do you think Nationals options were? None. I repeat so that maybe it sinks in a little better this time; NONE. Only FO Bradford and his parasitic lawyer believe that if you just change your name, You can Change the List.

I can't believe how much fundamental misunderstanding there is regarding Alpa nationals role in MEC affairs. It's pathetic.

So far it doesn't really have a "final and binding" feel to it. Three years since the purchase, still operating seperatley

 

[get2flyin]

Even your average line pilot could look at the “list according to nic’s world” and see ALPA getting thrown out, yet the “professionals at Herndon” who have to sign off on such things couldn’t see it

Really? Because the pilot neutrals from Continental and United who worked with Nic thought it was fair. I guess it was some sort of conspiracy against the poor USAir pilots, right?

 

[Ocity]

So far it doesn't really have a "final and binding" feel to it. Three years since the purchase, still operating seperatley

Stay Tuned, (as if you wouldn't)

 

[eaglesview]

Really? Because the pilot neutrals from Continental and United who worked with Nic thought it was fair. I guess it was some sort of conspiracy against the poor USAir pilots, right?

Continental pilot refused to sign it.

 

[steveg]

Not true.

 

[eaglesview]

Not true.

It is true, United pilot signed it, Continental pilot refused.

 

[PCL_128]

It is true, United pilot signed it, Continental pilot refused.

Not true.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

The best solution is for this place to go out of business all together. You see that way we can rid the earth of the east scab mentailty...

WD.

 

[eaglesview]

The best solution is for this place to go out of business all together. You see that way we can rid the earth of the east scab mentailty...

WD.

One of the only folks who actually hopes an airline goes out of business. ??

 

[PCL_128]

One of the only folks who actually hopes an airline goes out of business. ??

The fact that he wants his own airline to go out of business is pretty telling of just how much USCABA is trying to rape him.

 

[PlaneDrvr]

You're simply guessing that they've conformed to all RLA laws. The impending DFR lawsuit, that is getting easier to prove by the day, is just waiting for those morons to introduce section 22 during negotiations.

Then we'll see whose conforming to the law. The Nic. award process was legal, agreed to, final and binding. There is no doubt about that. Therefore, your smug statement of "Duly elected" doesn't mean crap to me. This game can go both ways.

Well, don't have a dog in this fight, but just thought I would let you know that it is normally 'very difficult' to win a DFR suit. How did that whole DFR thing work out for the TWA pilots? And, how about all the other DFR suits that have been filed over the years and most have never gone anywhere. Point being, whatever 'new' list is put in place, if it has reasonable conditions and restrictions to protect an employee's position and career progression; and most of all, if it is deemed to be 'fair' then that is all the court will look at. All the court normally looks at is if the list is 'fair' and reasonable.

And, if are betting that the new union would be obligated to use the previous arbitration award, then you are probably going to be disappointed. You will have to look at the difference between a 'private arbitration' and a NMB ordered arbitration?? The arbitration, like any seniority integration award, means Nothing, until it is incorporated into a CBA (collective bargaining agreement).

My advice (not that you will take it) is to get involved in the new union and work toward a solution that Everyone can live with. If you are betting totally on 'winning' what you want in the courts; you will probably spend mucho $$$$, years of time, and in the end, probably lose. Not a smart gamble, but what the he!!, go for it, no one ever said pilots were supposed to be smart.

For what its worth.

PD