CS Pay

[fischman]

fischman speaks of NJ, not CS



XTW

I should have been more clear. That is correct.

At NJA we have a menu on our Blackberry that we can order from. Up to 4 meals a day. We are supposed to order it the day prior at shutdown so the company has time to get the food for us.



I am a fat guy who is happy when the food better than average, so take this with a grain of salt:

I'd say that 70% of the time the food is edible. 10% of the time it meets or exceeds my expectations. 20% of the time it isn't fit for my father-in-law's yippy dog I want to kill.



Keep in mind that we also earn per diem on top of the food the company get us while on duty.

 

[Capthuff]

Interesting how a thread titled CS Pay, and full of questions about life at CS, has several posts about life at NJ (like there isnt already enough of them).

Now I dont have a dog in this fight, but it seems like NJ pilots like to be absolutely positive that EVERYONE knows how freakin awsume it is over there.

Congrats to CS pilots for getting some improvements to your quality of life.

 

[RCA]

Thank you Capthuff!
My guess is that one of the next post will be in regard to how NetJets was the reason for the improvements.
While I apprecitate NJ attracting CS pilots to their property, I don't think the World of Corporate Aviation spins around the NetJets axis.

 

[m4j2t]

What's the difference between a Net Jets Pilot and Jeffery Dahmer?


Even Jeffery Dahmer didn't eat EVERY leg...

 

[fischman]

Now I dont have a dog in this fight, but it seems like NJ pilots like to be absolutely positive that EVERYONE knows how freakin awsume it is over there.

Congrats to CS pilots for getting some improvements to your quality of life.

I think we have earned it. The bottom line is that IBT 1108 significantly raised the bar for the rest of the fractional industry. Enjoy.

But I agree. Good to hear about the CS pilots!

 

[Capthuff]

The bottom line is that IBT 1108 significantly raised the bar for the rest of the fractional industry.

2 thoughts here

1) NetJets pilots - through IBT1108 - are what got NJ pilots a better work environment. For a union is not the "Be all, End all" It takes a unified pilot group.

2) I would take it a step further and say not only has it affected the other frax, but throughout the Corporate/Charter industry as a whole. Especially charter.

But your reply makes my point. This is a pleasent thread about the advances in pay and QOL at CS.
Most people already know the affect NJ has had on the industry, so let it be for another thread.

 

[gunfyter]

Th
While I apprecitate NJ attracting CS pilots to their property,

Could you explain? I have not heard of this.

 

[learflyer]

I think we have earned it. The bottom line is that IBT 1108 significantly raised the bar for the rest of the fractional industry. Enjoy.

But I agree. Good to hear about the CS pilots!

I heard of a NJA pilot who mended a sweater from his own back hair to give to a cold needy child warmth...........try and top that one CS guys!

 

[RCA]

Could you explain? I have not heard of this.

CS has lost a few to NJ. This is not acceptable in the eyes of CS mgt.
In other words, they didn't give us the pay raise because they like our yellow ties.

 

[XTW]

Congrats to CS pilots for getting some improvements to your quality of life.

Capthuff,

Thank you for the kind words.

XTW

 

[fischman]

1) NetJets pilots - through IBT1108 - are what got NJ pilots a better work environment. For a union is not the "Be all, End all" It takes a unified pilot group.

One more thing, then I'll drop it.

IBT1108 is the pilots, not a group of people in Gahanna working out of offices. They are US. We are 1108.

 

[Bugsmasher Plus]

Profitability is the key and the conference call from yesterday still indicates that it should happen by the middle part of this calender year. That is of course if sales keep up.

anybody know anything about the COO change at avantair?

 

[RNObased]

Bogart was with B19 compairing notes

No B19 would be pulling some news paper article out of thin air, from some newspaper that no one has ever heard of, to prove that unions are the cause of male pattern balding, herpes, cancer, the bird flu, the mortage crisis, etc.

I'm glad Bogart at least isn't blinded to the reality of the world. I have hope for him, no hope for B19.

 

[B19 Flyer]

No B19 would be pulling some news paper article out of thin air, from some newspaper that no one has ever heard of, to prove that unions are the cause of male pattern balding, herpes, cancer, the bird flu, the mortage crisis, etc.

I'm glad Bogart at least isn't blinded to the reality of the world. I have hope for him, no hope for B19.

Until I find a better way to provide documentation to prove my point, using newspaper articles from the New York Times, the Washington Post and other credible sources are the best I can do.

Even then, the union mob finds ways to dispute them.

 

[jetwash]

I heard of a NJA pilot who mended a sweater from his own back hair to give to a cold needy child warmth...........try and top that one CS guys!

Big deal,

FLOPS CEO had a quilt knitted from his own pubic hair for a pilots family in Cleveland who couldn't afford to pay their heating bill.

Now thats taking care of your employees.

PS.... It fits a King size bed!!!!

 

[RoughAir]

The COO at Avantair left last week (Feb 14) the same day the latest quarterly loss was announced to the public.

Remember Avantair is a publicly traded company now.

One of the exec VPs was promoted to the job as COO.

 

[Bugsmasher Plus]

The COO at Avantair left last week (Feb 14) the same day the latest quarterly loss was announced to the public.

Remember Avantair is a publicly traded company now.

One of the exec VPs was promoted to the job as COO.

i heard she didn't leave on her own free will

 

[3blade]

Does CS reimburse for relocation expenses or give an allowance. I'm 2.5 hrs from the nearest base.

 

[XTW]

Does CS reimburse for relocation expenses or give an allowance. I'm 2.5 hrs from the nearest base.

No they do not.


XTW

 

[FCNelson]

Has the new pay rates resulted in a surge in applicants, similar to NJ contract?

 

[netjetwife]

I think Wilbur just rolled over in the grave, never thought I would hear anything like that from Humphrey......WOW.

I see I'm not the only one who is amazed. Nice change, huh? As one whose posts were frequently blasted for suggesting that frac pilots could raise the industry bar by working together, I'd like to say that vindication is sweet, but not nearly as rewarding as seeing hard work by 1108 volunteers (my family among them) pay off for so many frac families. Congrats to the CS pilots on their well-deserved raise.

In the spirit of a true community, I think it's great to see concern for those frac pilots and families that (so far) are being left behind. I do think that some pressure will be brought to bear from raising the bar at NJA and CS. The legitimate calls for parity will now be more difficult to ignore and those demanding fairness will be encouraged to continue the good fight against sub-par wages and work rules. NJW

A RISING TIDE SHOULD LIFT ALL BOATS

 

[GOULET!]

So how do the meals work at CS? Don't think that was ever answered.

 

[learflyer]

So how do the meals work at CS? Don't think that was ever answered.

I don't know about now, but you used to get crew meals at a discounted rate with per diem. yes?

 

[Sparse]

So how do the meals work at CS? Don't think that was ever answered.

Crew Meals cost $10.00. We pay the entire amount and expense it less $10.00. Sometimes they are worth the ten dollars and other times they are not.

 

[blueridge71]

What's the difference between a Net Jets Pilot and Jeffery Dahmer?


Even Jeffery Dahmer didn't eat EVERY leg...

:laugh:


Zing!

 

[blueridge71]

So how do the meals work at CS? Don't think that was ever answered.

Mostly we get the crew car and go for a sandwich.

 

[B19 Flyer]

I see I'm not the only one who is amazed. Nice change, huh? As one whose posts were frequently blasted for suggesting that frac pilots could raise the industry bar by working together, I'd like to say that vindication is sweet, but not nearly as rewarding as seeing hard work by 1108 volunteers (my family among them) pay off for so many frac families. Congrats to the CS pilots on their well-deserved raise.

In the spirit of a true community, I think it's great to see concern for those frac pilots and families that (so far) are being left behind. I do think that some pressure will be brought to bear from raising the bar at NJA and CS. The legitimate calls for parity will now be more difficult to ignore and those demanding fairness will be encouraged to continue the good fight against sub-par wages and work rules. NJW

A RISING TIDE SHOULD LIFT ALL BOATS

Hasn't it been established previously that your "family" is receiving a stipend for "volunteering" for the union?

NOBODY is ever compensated if they are volunteering. Volunteering is done above and beyond the normal paycheck.

If your family is being paid because of time lost flying, then they are working for the union and taking time away from producing revenue for NetJets., which is what he was hired to to.

After getting burned by the union at American, you still beat the union drum expecting different results.

 

[fischman]

B19,

Re-read my post about compensation for the "volunteers." The volunteers do NOT get ANY money from 1108. The ELECTED union officials do get compensated from the pilots for OT lost because they do not get the chance to earn that while on flight duty (although they put in more hours than I do).

The amount is by no means outrageous and IMHO, is well earned. The 1108 leaders are worth every nickel I have paid to them.

 

[B19 Flyer]

B19,

Re-read my post about compensation for the "volunteers." The volunteers do NOT get ANY money from 1108. The ELECTED union officials do get compensated from the pilots for OT lost because they do not get the chance to earn that while on flight duty (although they put in more hours than I do).

The amount is by no means outrageous and IMHO, is well earned. The 1108 leaders are worth every nickel I have paid to them.

Oh no... that's not what NJW posted earlier. Her husband recieves a stipend to make up for the time her husband spends as a "volunteer" because of lost flying time.

You see, it's more important to "volunteer" for 1108 than work for the company that hired him to fly and produce revenue for the company.

Things like this are why I find unions impossible. Unions are a business within a business that pulls way from the mission of the business.

No excuse for it.

 

[Sparse]

B19,

Re-read my post about compensation for the "volunteers." The volunteers do NOT get ANY money from 1108. The ELECTED union officials do get compensated from the pilots for OT lost because they do not get the chance to earn that while on flight duty (although they put in more hours than I do).

The amount is by no means outrageous and IMHO, is well earned. The 1108 leaders are worth every nickel I have paid to them.

Without Union volunteerism, the union work doesn't get done. By far, the majrity of union volunteers work way more than they get credit for. The sad part is the few that give the majority a bad rap. At my previous employer, some, and very few, slugs at best, would drop a 3 or 4 day trip, to do union work. The volunteer would get paid for the trip by the company, which the union would reimburse the company for plus a 30-40% additive for beneits. Now here is where the sleeziness comes in. Those few would do one day of union work, make themselves availible for OT (double pay), and work on the other two days they dropped for union work. This was verifiable through schedules and it happenned. That is where a union has to police itself against abuses such as this. If your fellow pilots, through their dues money, pays for you to do union work, by golly you owe it to them to work at least as much as you would have worked if you didn't volunteer.