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Who are 'we'? Are you helping people of all color to become pilots? Maybe if you hit the inner city OBAP wouldn't have to....

Your thoughts...

Sorry I missed this. I help people become pilots through AOPA mentor program, instructing, and other options. Who or what a person is doesn't figure into my personal equation, their desire figures in.

Are you helping people of color get upgraded to Captain ahead of white people with more seniority? If not why not?
 
OBAP's Mission Statement



Yeah, it speaks for itself. It clearly is discriminatory. Again, I think it does no harm, but it's discriminatory nature detracts from what would be a good intent.


Well, Im not black and yet, an OBAP capt from UPS helped me out a lot when looking for my current position. He didn't require me to join either.
I doubt his motivation at the time, was to help me out so I would talk about it on FightInfo...

What is your personal experience with anyone from OBAP?

That's what I thought, time to grow up!
 
One specific Demographic is being requested you Moron. Please reread my original post.
Every time I visit this website I am embarrassed to be an Airline Pilot.


So don't visit.
 
So what is your point? do you feel the need to create a white pilot organization when an overwhelming majority of whites do not have obstacles getting hired as pilots?

Except they need more hours and better grades than any minority to get hired.

Being black or some other minority ya can fail a course, then come back and do it over again.
A white male would get fired for being lazy or stupid if he busted the same ride.

A black female pilot would be really fire-proof.
(Most airlines are afraid of a discrimination lawsuit..They would rather send the candidate back to school and hope for a passing grade next time. Then ignore the reality of future upgrade to left seat)

Not breaking any new ground here guys, just calling a spade a spade. :rolleyes:
 
with the industry the way it is now, do you really want to encourage ANY kids to become pilots?? Tell the to work hard, get a MBA and try to get one of the management jobs. You know the ones that no matter how bad you screw things up, you still walk away witha few million bucks in your pocket, guaranteed retirement, positive space travel for life etc. (Like Leo and his gang at DAL).
 
I wish I could, but that would require naming individuals and their unseemly role in otherwise upstanding corporations, upon whom my future livelihood could very well rest. Further, it would require the divulging of a memorable yet private conversation. I'm afraid I ain't gonna kick over a real world hornet's nest for the sake of flightinfo.

Then perhaps, respectfully, nothing should be said...??



How does the KKK discriminate or have prejudice?

money, power, majority in numbers, corrupt judicial system...etc... oppression of the already oppressed

Are you saying the KKK is a respectable and bonifide organization that advances society and makes it better?



Advantage has nothing to do with racism. You can be advantaged and racist or you can be disadvantaged and racist.

perhaps, however the ability through advantage and power to act on the racism is certianly significant. Hateful thoughts are different than hateful actions...

A 250 lb black man beating up a 150lb white guy cause he is white is racist.

Indifference to disadvantaged inner city black kids who would love the opportunity to be a pilot could be considered racist. If not...why? You got 'yours', they don't have 'thiers' and you don't care....

There is a problem when The Haves do not care about The Have Nots.

The Haves can pretend they are insulated but sooner or later, right or wrong, The Have Nots are going to insist on being recognized. Wouldn't you?

Indifference of poverty is the greatest form of violence. Or as Ghandi stated "Poverty is the worst form of violence"


Sorry I missed this. I help people become pilots through AOPA mentor program, instructing, and other options. Who or what a person is doesn't figure into my personal equation, their desire figures in.

How do you know that inner city DTW kids do not want to become pilots, if you do not go there and find out. And if you do not want to go there then why not support OBAP so they can go there....

That is like a doctor saying... well poor kids with a cleft from third world countries don't visit my USA office...so I guess they don't have the desire to be healed.

Are you helping people of color get upgraded to Captain ahead of white people with more seniority? If not why not?

Why would I? Once a pilot is hired on a seniority list all are considered equal. Any pilot has and will upgrade when thier seniority allows.

Poor example....

Except they need more hours and better grades than any minority to get hired.

Being black or some other minority ya can fail a course, then come back and do it over again.
A white male would get fired for being lazy or stupid if he busted the same ride.

Do you have a specific example?

I am not saying there are not problems in the black community. One is leadership. Jesse Jackson and Sharpton are not the guys to lead... but that is another thread...

What do you think of Gen. Powell? He was given "help".

If you were born into poverty and stuck in a cycle would that be acceptable? It seems we forget that our position in life is due to circumstance.

When you were born what determined that YOU were born into middle class opportunity in America and not inner city poverty? Or rural poverty? Or a third world country.

Are you a pilot becuase in your infant years you made conscious choices to position yourself to be a career professional?

A black female pilot would be really fire-proof.
(Most airlines are afraid of a discrimination lawsuit..They would rather send the candidate back to school and hope for a passing grade next time. Then ignore the reality of future upgrade to left seat)

Not breaking any new ground here guys, just calling a spade a spade. :rolleyes:

Well then, could you be called a racist if you are indeed one?


with the industry the way it is now, do you really want to encourage ANY kids to become pilots?? Tell the to work hard, get a MBA and try to get one of the management jobs. You know the ones that no matter how bad you screw things up, you still walk away witha few million bucks in your pocket, guaranteed retirement, positive space travel for life etc. (Like Leo and his gang at DAL).

Not many kids say I want to be a MBA corporate tool. Besides try saying that to inner city kids... Show up in a suit and say "hey kids, get an MBA like me and you can sit in a cubical all day!"

Whereas the dream that we all have of being a pilot might just be the right motivation to get an inner city kid to work a little harder and reject the local culture that pushes him to join a gang, be a "celeberty" or sports star. (all doomed to fail....)

The chances of pilot career success are better than gangs, drugs, or stardom. Inner city kids becomming pilots and not gang members is better for everyone. Why would anyone hinder that?


I suggest a ride on a inner city public bus. It is a real eye opener for us Wonder Bread people...
 
What do you think of Gen. Powell? He was given "help".

That is an absolute fabrication. He received no affirmative action to enroll in the City College of New York and ROTC there (he attended several years prior to such "help") and you can be sure he didn't receive any in the army.

He attained his high position in the Army and government solely due to his talent and hard work, and not due to his race. Don't use him to further your leftist agenda.

Post some facts (not propaganda) to back up your assertion.

Your posts are nothing but hot air. You have no idea what you are talking about, on this or any other issue.
 
Maybe when his dream is realized organizations like OBAP wont be needed.

It goes much deeper than just aviation. :(

The field of candidates for the next president of the United States has been narrowed to three: a white male, a white female, and a black male. I'd say we as a nation have come a lot farther than many think.

BBB
 
Why would I? Once a pilot is hired on a seniority list all are considered equal. Any pilot has and will upgrade when thier seniority allows.

So we use affirmative action to get the pilot hired and then once he is everyone is equal? I

I suggest a ride on a inner city public bus. It is a real eye opener for us Wonder Bread people...

Poverty is color blind and I am sure some of the people on this forum have ridden that inner city public bus not as an experiment but because that was where they lived.
 
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Uh, maybe because there's a couple hundred years of history of racism? There's no "White Pilot's Association" because there's no need for one.

Chip on your shoulder? Naw... (psst, my family weren't even in this country when slavery existed)

Dont respond to this ******************************bag. He said in an earlier post that he fears obama getting elected and taking advantage of black power to control the white population. This guy is a racist.

I'm a racist? You don't even know me. And Jesse Jackson said (I quote) "When Obama gets elected we will finally have a serious dialogue about reparations in this country". That sounds a lot like control to me.

John,

Make sure you dont throw in colors with your white hood. I recommend washing your white costume together with your uniform with clorox bleach.

I'll keep that in mind. Be sure you only wash the Black Panthers shirt with color safe bleach.

Thanks for some very positive comments so far from most of the people on this thread. My words this morning were a little harsh but definitely applicable to Clueless types like Pennekamp and 406. My god I hope you two never procreate!!

Too late... I have several kids. and they have been raised to be color blind. As it seems your momma failed to do.

To all of you conveniently playing the race card rather than engaging in interesting conversation, I call them as I see them. OBAP, UNCF, and any organization that offers benefits solely based on race are racist, as by Dr Martin Luther King's definition of a colorblind society. He would not be impressed with blacks saying they need an advantage because they are black. This is what all of you fail to realize. And no, I am not a racist. I hate everyone equally.
 
Racism is racism. Organizations such as OBAP feel it is acceptable to have a race-based agenda because their constituents have historically been persecuted. I, and others, disagree. If this society is to progress to one of color-blindness (the ideal as espoused by MLK) then organizations that are race-based continue to perpetuate racism. Taking the emotion out of this touchy subject, I fail to see how anyone can argue this important point. Attempting to "right" a wrong with another wrong (affirmative action) is wrong, IMO.

The Organization of Black Airline Pilots is clearly a group of individuals identified by their race. The same goes for the Congressional Black Caucus (promotes causes of interest in the black community), the United Negro College Fund (ostensibly funds gathered benefit only blacks), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (again the organization's title appears self-explanatory).

I do not support any organization which attempts to divide our society based on race, gender or sexual orientation. For this reason, I am also not a proponent of Women In Aviation.

If not now, then when exactly do we internalize the teachings of great civil rights leaders and start treating (judging) each other by the content of one's character rather than the color of one's skin? The same question goes for gender?



BBB

Well said! MLK would not be impressed with the current state of the black community.
 
As a white guy (I take it), would you be willing to go to the inner DTW city in uniform and talk to kids (some might have guns in class)? I would be uneasy... So what's wrong with an organization setting up a conduit to get it done?

I would. But I'm a racist, right? (And why do you assume they have guns?)
 
When their organization is no longer needed it will go away. And you're not in any position to judge whether it's needed.

He has no right to judge? Why, because he's not black? And you are, so that gives you superior knowledge of the subject? YOU FRICKING PIG RACIST!

It's a double edged sword, pal. Hate to break it to you, but here in 'da ATL, most blacks are 10 times more racist than whites. Whites DO NOT own the franchise on racism. You all just call it justified when you do it.
 
MLK taught to judge someone by the content of his character, not the color of his skin. I missed the part where he said let's wait 50, 75, 100 years to begin treating each other with "color-blindness". OBAP is not correcting racism, it is perpetuating it by its divisive nature. Do you see my point?

Why doesn't OBAP seek out all underprivileged youth to mentor into aviation? Why do they selectively promote black youth? An organization who's function it is to promote aviation to a specific race is inherently racist by definition, regardless of who may or may not join the organization.

I think MLK would not have approved of any organization that promoted a particular race over another. It goes against the basic tenets of his teachings.


BBB

Again, well said.
 
OBAP's Mission Statement



Yeah, it speaks for itself. It clearly is discriminatory. Again, I think it does no harm, but it's discriminatory nature detracts from what would be a good intent.

Fins, you damn racist! How dare you criticize a black organization. Even if it pledges to promote members of their particular race!

What if an organization used the term "white" in its mission statement? All hell would break loose, that's what. The double standard that they can get away with something they don't let us get away with is what bothers me.
 
No there isn't. However if I founded an organization that had a political agenda of helping whites to advance in aviation I would be labeled a racist and my posts would be deleted.

Exactly. What say you, TWA Dude?
 
So what is your point? do you feel the need to create a white pilot organization when an overwhelming majority of whites do not have obstacles getting hired as pilots?

Really? No wonder everyone I know has been picked up by UPS, FedEX, Delta, etc...


Oh wait, THEY HAVEN'T! Everyone has "obstacles" getting hired. Why do blacks and other minorities feel they are the only ones? Racism. But it's ok for them.
 
How does the KKK discriminate or have prejudice?

FWIW, if you read history, the KKK didn't just go after blacks. They were a group of vigilante law enforcement in the rural south, and their mission was to keep order. Unfortunately, that included enforcing segregation. However, if it was learned that a white male was beating his wife, for example, the KKK showed up and took care of him. It was only later that its role morphed into a purely hate driven white supremacist organization.
 

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