Who will win: EMB190 or CRJ1000

[BrickTop]

In the coming years the future of regional travel as we all know will find 90-110 seat aircraft as their service products. Despite scope, the birth of a new Legacy carrier is promising be it combination of contract and branded operations or strictly contracted. The operational battle between two very stable and operationally efficient airlines who are looking to find their niche with their respective product, leaves the question of future majority, the EMB or CRJ series aircraft. One aircraft a roomy passenger friendly and traditional with "big aircraft character," the other a more cost efficient and higher performance aircraft. I welcome all to submit their opionons to each aircrafts future.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Are you serious.

 

[Mesabi Miner]

Don't know anything about either one, but I hope the EMB wins out.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

whichever I am sure the pilots will lose.

 

[Lazy8]

I hope I'm not flying domestic long enough to find out.

 

[IADBLRJ41]

We all lose unless these airplanes are on a mainline cert and a mainline payscale.

 

[relief tube]

EXACTLY. To hell with us regionals flying anything more than 70 seats.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Answer:

RAH

I heard today from a friend of a friend that they will be flying as a sky team and star alliance codeshare...once again, going around scope.

i have no idea if this gets around scope, just being the messenger

 

[IronCityBlue]

Bricktop WTF are you talking about dood?

 

[ROSWELL41]

Answer:

RAH

I heard today from a friend of a friend that they will be flying as a sky team and star alliance codeshare...once again, going around scope.

i have no idea if this gets around scope, just being the messenger

What exactly does that mean? You guys already are codeshare partners in the alliances with Delta, UAL and Continental.

 

[PCL_128]

In the coming years the future of regional travel as we all know will find 90-110 seat aircraft as their service products.

No they won't. I don't see any pilot group ready to give up 100+ seat airplanes to let you guys fly. I know the pilots at my airline won't, as we just voted down two TAs with one of the big drivers being the fact that it allowed 70+ seat jets to be outsourced to contractors. There would have to be another 9/11-style industry collapse to bring even the slight possibility that mainline pilots would give up scope on 100+ seat aircraft. If you want to fly bigger airplanes, then how 'bout getting a job at an airline that flies them? Yeah, I know, radical idea.

 

[LearLove]

"as we just voted down two TAs with one of the big drivers being the fact that it allowed 70+ seat jets to be outsourced to contractors"

and many of us thank you for doing this. please stay strong and hope CAL follows also.

 

[BrickTop]

Bricktop WTF are you talking about dood?

The future of the airlines is as always a "matter of time issue" just as the 70 seat RJ's were put into service by either circumnavigation of CBA's or new agreements in the CBA's, you will see larger aircraft come into service. Read your history of how the legacy carriers became "legacy" carriers. A select few of the regional operators are right on track to becoming the next "legacy". Some feel the future of Major airlines will be as United does, utilizing many contracted operators under the companys colors and reducing the large body aircraft for a small pyramid of international operations. "Its all a "matter of time". Even if these industry predictions never happen the Post is in regard to an aircraft type."EMB or CRJ" Now please fire your classy and professional rebuttal's.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Brick Top - neither. The airlines are waiting for a plastic version of the 737, or A320, with 25% greater efficiency than the current generation aircraft. The engine manufacturers are starting to get spun up for this next battle ground as well. The 787 and A350 are almost here. The 737 replacement will be next.

The CRJ has a CRJ cabin and as you mentioned the E jet is nice, but not even a MD90, or 737N on a CASM basis & the majors are not going to let that E airplane be outsourced with more than 70 seats.

Airlines can not play the bankruptcy game due to the condition of the capital markets - so there will be no more bankruptcy court contracts. The next airline that declares, is gone.

You are completely wrong about "select few regionals being on the right track to become legacy carriers." For starters they lack their own brand, marketing, ticketing, marketing and infastructure to perform these functions. At best, they are aircraft and crew leasing companies with equivalent stability.

Since you think airlines are a "matter of time issue" tell us what the future holds? With $3.00 a gallon jet fuel making pilot salaries less of a factor and quality control more significant - the matter of time might be the obvious answer of airlines performing their own damn flying to obtain better quality control. (and I don't mean lousy pilots - I mean issues like fuel conservation, adherence to strict flight planning and limits on APU use to save gas)

Just my humble opinion.

 

[GearUpLightsIn]

Brick Top - neither. The airlines are waiting for a plastic version of the 737, or A320, with 25% greater efficiency than the current generation aircraft. The engine manufacturers are starting to get spun up for this next battle ground as well. The 787 and A350 are almost here. The 737 replacement will be next.

The CRJ has a CRJ cabin and as you mentioned the E jet is nice, but not even a MD90, or 737N on a CASM basis & the majors are not going to let that E airplane be outsourced with more than 70 seats.

Airlines can not play the bankruptcy game due to the condition of the capital markets - so there will be no more bankruptcy court contracts. The next airline that declares, is gone.

You are completely wrong about "select few regionals being on the right track to become legacy carriers." For starters they lack their own brand, marketing, ticketing, marketing and infastructure to perform these functions. At best, they are aircraft and crew leasing companies with equivalent stability.

Since you think airlines are a "matter of time issue" tell us what the future holds? With $3.00 a gallon jet fuel making pilot salaries less of a factor and quality control more significant - the matter of time might be the obvious answer of airlines performing their own damn flying to obtain better quality control. (and I don't mean lousy pilots - I mean issues like fuel conservation, adherence to strict flight planning and limits on APU use to save gas)

Just my humble opinion.

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