Who will win: EMB190 or CRJ1000

[BoilerUP]

And for the love of God, Continental pilots please never give up scope.

Needs repeating.

Mainline pilots may have given up 50 seat jets, then 70 seat jets, then 74/76 seat jets, and finally 86 seat jets in the past....but they FINALLY see these (outsourced) large small jets for what they are - a direct threat to their jobs and career.

Folks often talk about how RAH pays a higher hourly CA rate for the 175 than Airways pays for the 190. It doesn't necessarily make it okay, but the same folks fail to mention the 175 is the highest-paying airframe at RAH, while the 190 is the lowest-paying, most junior airframe at Airways.

 

[BoilerUP]

I'm flying the E-175 at Republic Airlines with 86 seats as US Airways Express.

Pretty sure Mesa's USX CRJ-900s have 86 seats as well.

 

[XPOO]

According to usual FI.com posts, it will most likely be whichever aircraft the SkyWest pilot group will decide to fly for only 50-seat pay, right?

 

[CitationLover]

....As far as I'm concerned, the regionals shouldn't even be flying 50-seat jets. ....

didn't you fly a CRJ?!?!?! hypocritical don't you think?

 

[B727FA]

You have a good point about operational control, but you can use the income from your airline partners to fund the cause. Express Jet is doing it with Continental

And we all know how that's working out for them...

 

[B727FA]

As far as I'm concerned, the regionals shouldn't even be flying 50-seat jets.

Yeah, and NetJets shouldn't be flying a BBJ. What's next? Regionals shouldn't be flying turbine a/c? Only recips? The market will be met one way or another.

 

[PCL_128]

didn't you fly a CRJ?!?!?! hypocritical don't you think?

Go back and read my posts from the past few years. Even when I was flying them, I thought it was ridiculous that they had been outsourced to us. I simply did the flying that the mainline pilots had stupidly allowed to be outsourced, just as all of the current regional pilots are. I think you'll find that there are plenty of 50-seat drivers out there that feel the same way as me about this: all jet flying should be done by mainline carriers.

 

[Airline Driver]

Which regional is flying around 86 seats? Also, in case you haven't noticed, many of us our still hanging on to our 70-seat flying, and we aren't about to let it go. Just because the pilots at DAL thought that the RJ flying was "too good for them" doesn't mean the rest of us are that stupid. I'll vote NO on any contract that allows any further outsourcing of our code. As far as I'm concerned, the regionals shouldn't even be flying 50-seat jets. If it's got a jet engine on it, it should be flown by mainline pilots. That may be all well and good for the greedy bastards in management, but it's horrible for pilots and our careers. If you want to fly bigger airplanes, then get a job at a mainline carrier that flies them and stop salivating at the thought of stealing my flying.

Republic is flying the 175 which has the 86 seat configuration. Mesa's CRJ900's I believe have 86 seats as well. ASA is also flying the CRJ900, I am not exactly sure how many seats they configure their's. If you look at the manufacturing industry, or in-fact allot of other industry's, Corporate America is outsourcing lot's of it's work because they save money for their bottom line & stock holders are making more money. Greedy management you say, You Bet!! I agree with that 100% The same thing is happening in the airline industry. Sad but true.

Your flying a 717 which means you are flying at either Airtran or Midwest, which does not put you very far from being a regional. Your a National/LLC like my so called regional. I respect your opinion and I can certainly understand your opinion, however the airline industry is changing and the legacy carriers make far more money on international flying than they do domestic. That seems to be the way the industry is heading. Which opens the door for airlines like yours to pick up the domestic flying the legacy's are leaving behind!! so in reality it's good for you!!
Business is business and things are changing.

Go with the flow and God willing we will all have happy, Prosperous careers. Just don't ever cross the picket line. I see very few pilot's who are in this business for primarily the Money. We fly because we love to fly airplanes. Yes Money is nice the higher it gets and it will get higher again, we all just have to have some patience and let our union reps bargain for us.

 

[PCL_128]

Greedy management you say, You Bet!! I agree with that 100% The same thing is happening in the airline industry. Sad but true.

And you're cheering it along. Ridiculous.

Your flying a 717 which means you are flying at either Airtran or Midwest, which does not put you very far from being a regional. Your a National/LLC like my so called regional.

I always get a good laugh out of statements like this. Look at the side of your airplane. What name is there and what livery is it painted in? Is it the name of your regional airline? Didn't think so. You don't work for an airline. You work for a contractor. You fly someone else's code, be it DL, or CO, or UA, or whatever, but certainly not your own. Comparing your company to airlines like AAI, Frontier, or JetBlue is absurd.

I see very few pilot's who are in this business for primarily the Money. We fly because we love to fly airplanes. Yes Money is nice the higher it gets and it will get higher again, we all just have to have some patience and let our union reps bargain for us.

Your union reps can't bargain much for you if mainline flying keeps getting outsourced and more and more RFPs are issued for that flying. You don't seem to understand just how bad the situation is. When you don't fly your own flying, you are dependent on someone else to give you their flying. That means that they can put all kinds of stipulations on it, such as "nothing higher than industry-average pay rates." You don't fit the stipulations? Then someone who's a lower bidder will get that RFP. Then your management will come to you demanding concessions so you can get awarded the next RFP. If you don't agree? They'll just take you into bankruptcy to void your contract and force the concessions out of you to get that next RFP.

You seem to be very naive about how this process is working now. You should be in favor of keeping as much flying as possible at the mainline level so you still have a decent career to look forward to.

And by the way, I do love to fly, but I do this job primarily for the money. That's why it's called a job.

 

[Pilot124]

Go back and read my posts from the past few years. Even when I was flying them, I thought it was ridiculous that they had been outsourced to us. I simply did the flying that the mainline pilots had stupidly allowed to be outsourced, just as all of the current regional pilots are. I think you'll find that there are plenty of 50-seat drivers out there that feel the same way as me about this: all jet flying should be done by mainline carriers.

Please don't tell us that you think Airtran is mainline???
It is a glorified regional and that's it. You flew an crj then when you get hired at your glorified regional you say regionals shouldn't fly jets???WTF

 

[CitationLover]

Your flying a 717 which means you are flying at either Airtran or Midwest, which does not put you very far from being a regional. Your a National/LLC like my so called regional. I respect your opinion and I can certainly understand your opinion, however the airline industry is changing and the legacy carriers make far more money on international flying than they do domestic. That seems to be the way the industry is heading. Which opens the door for airlines like yours to pick up the domestic flying the legacy's are leaving behind!! so in reality it's good for you!!

well we are the #1 domestic airline, glorified regional or not.

 

[CitationLover]

Go back and read my posts from the past few years. Even when I was flying them, I thought it was ridiculous that they had been outsourced to us. I simply did the flying that the mainline pilots had stupidly allowed to be outsourced, just as all of the current regional pilots are. I think you'll find that there are plenty of 50-seat drivers out there that feel the same way as me about this: all jet flying should be done by mainline carriers.

follow your signature and get a metal beanie to deflect the waves. what makes a "jet" so special to you?

the arrogance of the "majors" coupled with the whorishness of the "regionals" led to the RJ mess.

 

[Wiggums]

Just proof that some people cannot see the picture past their own nose. If you are flying a regional jet you should realize that you are doing the job a major airline pilot did before Delta pilots relaxed their scope back in the 1990s. If that had not happened then there would be more flying at the majors and your career prospects would be better.

 

[PCL_128]

Just proof that some people cannot see the picture past their own nose. If you are flying a regional jet you should realize that you are doing the job a major airline pilot did before Delta pilots relaxed their scope back in the 1990s. If that had not happened then there would be more flying at the majors and your career prospects would be better.

At least somebody gets it.

 

[Axel]

Q: ERJ 190/CRJ1000...Who will win?

A: Bryan Bedford

 

[CitationLover]

Q: ERJ 190/CRJ1000...Who will win?

A: Bryan Bedford

he loves jesus! i am sure joel osteen is telling him they will be his if he just prays more........

 

[Future Furlough]

Please don't tell us that you think Airtran is mainline???
It is a glorified regional and that's it. You flew an crj then when you get hired at your glorified regional you say regionals shouldn't fly jets???WTF

You kind of missed his point. It's not where you fly that makes you a regional, it's who decides where to fly. AirTran may not fly internationally, but management and marketing determine the destinations. I fly internationally, but it is mainline that decides those destinations, not my management or marketing (the latter of which does not even exist at a regional airline). So yes, AirTran is mainline because no one else controlls their flying. And yes, I am a regional pilot who wishes mainline had never farmed out nearly 50% of their flying, be it on a jet or not.

 

[Airline Driver]

well we are the #1 domestic airline, glorified regional or not.

According to who's statistics??..............

 

[CitationLover]

According to who's statistics??..............

you name the award (these are a little out of date)

Awards

• Travel+Leisure magazine recognized Midwest Airlines as Best Domestic Airline in 2004, 2003 and 2002 - a total of five times in eight years.
• OAG, publishers of the Official Airline Guide, named Midwest Airlines Best Airline based in North America in 2003 and Best Economy/Coach Class Airline in 2002.
• Condé Nast Traveler Business Travel Awards rated Midwest Airlines #1 Domestic Airline in its class in 2003 and 2002.
• The prestigious Zagat Airline Survey rated Midwest Airlines the #1 Domestic Airline in its last four surveys.

heck we even brag about the award winning Recaro seats our 717's feature.

 

[bailey3083]

J.O. and Mesa as he is now offering the Legacy carriers that he will pay them for the right to fly them under a new program where his pilots pay him $2k a month so they can fly a shiny new 90 seat jet!