Skywest, ASA DOH integration?

[Speedtape]

Someone more knowledgeable than myself should explain fences and why they work. I have heard the explanation before, and it sound like a good way to do things. I believe fences would protect everyone's relative seniority. Nothing to worry about as far as I know. ASA pilots are certainly not out to try and screw anyone.

After all-we hired lots of DAL furloughed pilots after sept 11th. There are other regionals who didn't (for whatever resaon-I can't imagine.)

Fences simply equal restrictions until a defined date. There can be multiple fences. There is no strict definition. It is determined by the respective parties.
Usually, they are used to protect the seats of a larger aircraft type or equipment that one sides has that the other does not.

The Northwest/Republic merge had multiple fences that were negotiated in 1986 or so. The last fence came down there in 2005. It protected the seats at the original Northwest in the Heavy aircraft, especially the left seats.

It is what you negotiate.

 

[John Pennekamp]

The Northwest/Republic merge had multiple fences that were negotiated in 1986 or so. The last fence came down there in 2005. It protected the seats at the original Northwest in the Heavy aircraft, especially the left seats.

It is what you negotiate.

That may be true, but look at the disparity and animosity at NWA that still exists between "red book" (original Northwest) and "green book" pilots (Republic). The bankruptcy concessions were designed, engineered, and executed by the "red book" pilots to screw the "green book" pilots. The "red book" pilots are mostly widebody pilots, and they stuck it to the narrowbody pilots. In reality, the fences never came down, they have been artificially kept in place by the power of the red book pilots who control the MEC.

That is an example of what to AVOID in a merger, something ALPA clearly hasn't learned by example of the US Air mess.

 

[SkyNation]

Or maybe not. I can't wait for you to be my FO, biatch.

nice attitude. and you guys wonder why we don't 'team up' with you guys so we can 'stand together.'

 

[79%N1]

nice attitude. and you guys wonder why we don't 'team up' with you guys so we can 'stand together.'

Exactly.....and you guys wonder!

 

[Morning Wood]

That may be true, but look at the disparity and animosity at NWA that still exists between "red book" (original Northwest) and "green book" pilots (Republic). The bankruptcy concessions were designed, engineered, and executed by the "red book" pilots to screw the "green book" pilots. The "red book" pilots are mostly widebody pilots, and they stuck it to the narrowbody pilots. In reality, the fences never came down, they have been artificially kept in place by the power of the red book pilots who control the MEC.

That is an example of what to AVOID in a merger, something ALPA clearly hasn't learned by example of the US Air mess.

Same thing happened with TWA and Ozark with "Red" and "Green" books.

 

[Weasil]

The "merger" language that ASA got in their TA, means that any merger would follow the guidelines set out by the Allegheney-Mohawk decision. This was the standard under regulation by the Civil Aeronautics Board. It provides for arbitration procedures for the two work groups as well as other protections for affected employees.
The senate and the house both recently added this language to the FAA appropriations bill which would make this procedure once again the standard for all mergers if it gets signed into law later this year.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I can't believe nobody said it yet.....

All your left seats are belong to us!



I honestly hope you guys vote in ALPA so we don't have to worry about eachother. End this whipsaw and let's move forward together.

 

[Jmoney]

Tool

please, please let it be true!

See why we call you a tool? I'll bet even your dog knows what a freaking toolshed you are.

-Congrats being a jerkoff!

 

[Skywest Pylot]

The point of this thread was not to start a dispute between the two pilot groups. I have a lot of respect for the ASA guys/gals but I would like my pilot group to think about who will be representing them if/when a merger with ASA happens. If we don't get some type of legitimate representation on the property now, I fear the consequences come a possible merger. I again ask the question, who will be representing us? Jerry? SAPA? It seems ASA has (or is getting) their sh!t together and we don't.

 

[SkyNation]

See why we call you a tool? I'll bet even your dog knows what a freaking toolshed you are.

-Congrats being a jerkoff!

no one I know wanted to buy you guys, none of you wanted to be bought by us, right?

 

[Speedtape]

no one I know wanted to buy you guys, none of you wanted to be bought by us, right?

O.K., now that we have the insults out of the way, with all due respect, our (your and mine) opinions on the purchase really don't matter. It's history. Let's focus on the future and what's in our best interest!

 

[Skywest Pylot]

Exactly!

 

[Speedtape]

The "merger" language that ASA got in their TA, means that any merger would follow the guidelines set out by the Allegheney-Mohawk decision. This was the standard under regulation by the Civil Aeronautics Board.

Well, this is not completely correct. The Allegheny-Mohawk would only apply for asset transfers that excede a certain limit, and, should some pilots transfer under that provision, then that process would be used to determine seniority at Skywest.

If a merger took place, which is doubtful, then other circumstances would dictate the process. I have not seen the document, but that is what was explained to me.

 

[Skywest Pylot]

Never say never!

 

[Speedtape]

Never say never!

Skywest Pylot,

I did not say "never." I said, "which is doubtful."

There are certainly some things happening over here that could indicate merger. But, there are marketing agreements that indicate otherwise.