Skywest, ASA DOH integration?

[SkyNation]

O.K., now that we have the insults out of the way, with all due respect, our (your and mine) opinions on the purchase really don't matter. It's history. Let's focus on the future and what's in our best interest!

I'll agree. now try to convince Jmoney and the others who've piled on myself, and others, just because we hold a different opinion.

good luck

 

[Skywest Pylot]

Skywest Pylot,

I did not say "never." I said, "which is doubtful."

There are certainly some things happening over here that could indicate merger. But, there are marketing agreements that indicate otherwise.

Agreed! Just trying to explore all posible senarios.

 

[Airline Driver]

Coming from this same scenario 2 years ago between Shuttle America and Chautauqua, I Sincerely hope that both sides are willing to negotiate and give a little. Try to avoid going to arbitration if you can. Arbitrations lately seem to be very one sided. These mergers are never easy and they only produce unnecessary stress and aggravation for crews while management sits there playing Chess. I know that people will disagree with me but in my opinion, If date of Hire cannot be agreed upon, then it should be Captains stay Captains and FO's Stay FO's. Remember this as well, this is not the fault of any Pilot, this is purely business. Managements game and Pilots are the pawns. Pilots should not be punished with a loss of Pay, Seat or Longevity as the result of a merger regardless of the financial stability or size of the company. Time already served should be respected!!!!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

The "merger" language that ASA got in their TA, means that any merger would follow the guidelines set out by the Allegheney-Mohawk decision. This was the standard under regulation by the Civil Aeronautics Board. It provides for arbitration procedures for the two work groups as well as other protections for affected employees.
The senate and the house both recently added this language to the FAA appropriations bill which would make this procedure once again the standard for all mergers if it gets signed into law later this year.

Wrong!
If you read the AMLP, there is no protection under the act for non-union pilots, only union pilots bought by a non-union company. SKYW pilots will have no protection under the act.
Enjoy
PBR

 

[PCL_128]

Wrong!
If you read the AMLP, there is no protection under the act for non-union pilots, only union pilots bought by a non-union company. SKYW pilots will have no protection under the act.
Enjoy
PBR

PBR, I haven't seen the new ASA TA language yet, but I'm assuming that it contains typical ALPA merger language that requires the use of the LPPs to determine integrations with non-union pilots. This is pretty standard language for all ALPA contracts. Of course, the Skywest pilots would still be at a major disadvantage since they have no one except their management to represent them during the negotiations, mediation, and possible arbitration that the LPPs require. Basically, Jerry and friends would be the ones negotiating for the Skywest pilots, and ALPA would be negotiating for the ASA pilots (with the assistance of some of the most experienced RLA/LPP merger attorneys in the country). Still a bad situation for the Skywest pilots.

Got ALPA?

 

[Jmoney]

Tool

I'll agree. now try to convince Jmoney and the others who've piled on myself, and others, just because we hold a different opinion.

good luck

I call 'em as I see 'em- you are a self-serving a$s who doesn't care who gets screwed as long as it is not you! You have consistently and continually berated, belittled, insulted and verbally hosed everyone here from ASA. You are an idiot, and the world of aviation would be a lot better off if you were a dump truck driver!

Screw you!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

It wouldn't be fair to the legions of dump truck drivers to have to put up with him either. It appears he's ours to deal with, no matter how FANTASTIC he thinks the bucket system is.

 

[Tomct]

I call 'em as I see 'em- you are a self-serving a$s who doesn't care who gets screwed as long as it is not you! You have consistently and continually berated, belittled, insulted and verbally hosed everyone here from ASA. You are an idiot, and the world of aviation would be a lot better off if you were a dump truck driver!

Screw you!

Jmoney, don't waste your breathe. Sky is too busy looking at himself in the mirror with his uniform on and telling himself just how "Great" he is....uke:.

Skywst pilot, I would have to agree with PCL. JA would be negotiating for you (skywst pilots) and the ALPA CREW for the ASA pilots. Do you REALLY trust JA that much?

 

[~~~^~~~]

no one I know wanted to buy you guys, none of you wanted to be bought by us, right?

You don't know anyone at SkyWest?

 

[~~~^~~~]

I'm hoping ALPA will be on property to deal with this. If you look at the company directory you can choose ASA and see all their pilots' DOH. I'm at about 48% at SKW. With a DOH merger I'd be at about 55%. Very few, if any skywest pilots would benefit from a DOH merger. Nearly all ASA pilots would benefit

Amazing the logic. SkyWest grows at the expense of ASA, by literally taking ASA's jets and those guys do not want to be displaced by a merger with the pilots who's airplanes they took. Not one number.

Don't worry "Viper." You'll be OK. You even make a good point about being better off with ALPA if this ever happens.

 

[Speedtape]

I call 'em as I see 'em- you are a self-serving a$s who doesn't care who gets screwed as long as it is not you! You have consistently and continually berated, belittled, insulted and verbally hosed everyone here from ASA. You are an idiot, and the world of aviation would be a lot better off if you were a dump truck driver!

Screw you!

Unfortunately, these type forums that do not require you to be identified by name, allow for a lot of bashing and insulting, just for the SPORT of it. There are many things posted here that would not be said face to face or in a real public forum. May I dare say, we have all been guilty of it, at least once. It does not allow for real productive dialogue. However, if you can filter through some of the SPORT B.S., there are some pretty good ideas that occasionally get discussed. But, it has it's limits.

Personally, I like to read many of Skynation's post. If you filter through some of the insults and occasional arrogance, he/she makes many good points. If nothing else, it makes you think--be careful not to react, as sometimes that is his/her intent.

Everyone has something at stake in the present and future of these Inc. companies. We all have our fears and concerns. It is much better to have dialogue, even in this form, than nothing. Hopefully, at some point in the future, we will have a better vehicle or forum to debate the real issues in a meaningful way.

 

[scarlet]

Don't worry about your left seat. People are leaving ASA so fast you could upgrade over here in a year and a half, and I hear people are leaving Skywest that fast too. Both places are very short and can not find pilots !!! It is stupid to have 2 bases in the same city, for the same company; what a waste of our profit sharing bottom line to have two mgmt. staffs on the same airport.

We welcome you guys to ALPA if you decide that. You will not be disappointed and your QOL will only be a great positive. 3 weeks off for one week of vacation

 

[79%N1]

It is stupid to have 2 bases in the same city, for the same company; what a waste of our profit sharing bottom line to have two mgmt. staffs on the same airport.

Isn't that what we were told when our SLC base was shut down and our 70's moved to ATL. (The ones that were not taken away?)

But, hmm, then Skywest opens a base in ATL. So....which is it Jerry?

 

[Tomct]

Isn't that what we were told when our SLC base was shut down and our 70's moved to ATL. (The ones that were not taken away?)

But, hmm, then Skywest opens a base in ATL. So....which is it Jerry?

Cmon 79%, Jerry would not LIE to his people....WOULD HE? The sooner the folks at Skywst see JA for the liar he really is, the better off they will be. Needless to say, You can lead a horse to water....but you can't make it drink. There are plenty of "Red Flags" that the ASA people have pointed out about Jerry, the weird part is that not many of the Skywst pilots see it? Talk about "POTENT KOOL-AID!!!"

 

[Skywest Pylot]

Skywst pilot, I would have to agree with PCL. JA would be negotiating for you (skywst pilots) and the ALPA CREW for the ASA pilots. Do you REALLY trust JA that much?

NO

Skynation,

If you get your wish and the ALPA drive fails, who we gonna have representing us at the negotiating table during a potential merger? Jerry? SAPA?