Skywest, ASA DOH integration?

[Weasil]

The "merger" language that ASA got in their TA, means that any merger would follow the guidelines set out by the Allegheney-Mohawk decision. This was the standard under regulation by the Civil Aeronautics Board. It provides for arbitration procedures for the two work groups as well as other protections for affected employees.
The senate and the house both recently added this language to the FAA appropriations bill which would make this procedure once again the standard for all mergers if it gets signed into law later this year.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I can't believe nobody said it yet.....

All your left seats are belong to us!



I honestly hope you guys vote in ALPA so we don't have to worry about eachother. End this whipsaw and let's move forward together.

 

[Jmoney]

Tool

please, please let it be true!

See why we call you a tool? I'll bet even your dog knows what a freaking toolshed you are.

-Congrats being a jerkoff!

 

[Skywest Pylot]

The point of this thread was not to start a dispute between the two pilot groups. I have a lot of respect for the ASA guys/gals but I would like my pilot group to think about who will be representing them if/when a merger with ASA happens. If we don't get some type of legitimate representation on the property now, I fear the consequences come a possible merger. I again ask the question, who will be representing us? Jerry? SAPA? It seems ASA has (or is getting) their sh!t together and we don't.

 

[SkyNation]

See why we call you a tool? I'll bet even your dog knows what a freaking toolshed you are.

-Congrats being a jerkoff!

no one I know wanted to buy you guys, none of you wanted to be bought by us, right?

 

[Speedtape]

no one I know wanted to buy you guys, none of you wanted to be bought by us, right?

O.K., now that we have the insults out of the way, with all due respect, our (your and mine) opinions on the purchase really don't matter. It's history. Let's focus on the future and what's in our best interest!

 

[Skywest Pylot]

Exactly!

 

[Speedtape]

The "merger" language that ASA got in their TA, means that any merger would follow the guidelines set out by the Allegheney-Mohawk decision. This was the standard under regulation by the Civil Aeronautics Board.

Well, this is not completely correct. The Allegheny-Mohawk would only apply for asset transfers that excede a certain limit, and, should some pilots transfer under that provision, then that process would be used to determine seniority at Skywest.

If a merger took place, which is doubtful, then other circumstances would dictate the process. I have not seen the document, but that is what was explained to me.

 

[Skywest Pylot]

Never say never!

 

[Speedtape]

Never say never!

Skywest Pylot,

I did not say "never." I said, "which is doubtful."

There are certainly some things happening over here that could indicate merger. But, there are marketing agreements that indicate otherwise.

 

[SkyNation]

O.K., now that we have the insults out of the way, with all due respect, our (your and mine) opinions on the purchase really don't matter. It's history. Let's focus on the future and what's in our best interest!

I'll agree. now try to convince Jmoney and the others who've piled on myself, and others, just because we hold a different opinion.

good luck

 

[Skywest Pylot]

Skywest Pylot,

I did not say "never." I said, "which is doubtful."

There are certainly some things happening over here that could indicate merger. But, there are marketing agreements that indicate otherwise.

Agreed! Just trying to explore all posible senarios.

 

[Airline Driver]

Coming from this same scenario 2 years ago between Shuttle America and Chautauqua, I Sincerely hope that both sides are willing to negotiate and give a little. Try to avoid going to arbitration if you can. Arbitrations lately seem to be very one sided. These mergers are never easy and they only produce unnecessary stress and aggravation for crews while management sits there playing Chess. I know that people will disagree with me but in my opinion, If date of Hire cannot be agreed upon, then it should be Captains stay Captains and FO's Stay FO's. Remember this as well, this is not the fault of any Pilot, this is purely business. Managements game and Pilots are the pawns. Pilots should not be punished with a loss of Pay, Seat or Longevity as the result of a merger regardless of the financial stability or size of the company. Time already served should be respected!!!!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

The "merger" language that ASA got in their TA, means that any merger would follow the guidelines set out by the Allegheney-Mohawk decision. This was the standard under regulation by the Civil Aeronautics Board. It provides for arbitration procedures for the two work groups as well as other protections for affected employees.
The senate and the house both recently added this language to the FAA appropriations bill which would make this procedure once again the standard for all mergers if it gets signed into law later this year.

Wrong!
If you read the AMLP, there is no protection under the act for non-union pilots, only union pilots bought by a non-union company. SKYW pilots will have no protection under the act.
Enjoy
PBR

 

[PCL_128]

Wrong!
If you read the AMLP, there is no protection under the act for non-union pilots, only union pilots bought by a non-union company. SKYW pilots will have no protection under the act.
Enjoy
PBR

PBR, I haven't seen the new ASA TA language yet, but I'm assuming that it contains typical ALPA merger language that requires the use of the LPPs to determine integrations with non-union pilots. This is pretty standard language for all ALPA contracts. Of course, the Skywest pilots would still be at a major disadvantage since they have no one except their management to represent them during the negotiations, mediation, and possible arbitration that the LPPs require. Basically, Jerry and friends would be the ones negotiating for the Skywest pilots, and ALPA would be negotiating for the ASA pilots (with the assistance of some of the most experienced RLA/LPP merger attorneys in the country). Still a bad situation for the Skywest pilots.

Got ALPA?

 

[Jmoney]

Tool

I'll agree. now try to convince Jmoney and the others who've piled on myself, and others, just because we hold a different opinion.

good luck

I call 'em as I see 'em- you are a self-serving a$s who doesn't care who gets screwed as long as it is not you! You have consistently and continually berated, belittled, insulted and verbally hosed everyone here from ASA. You are an idiot, and the world of aviation would be a lot better off if you were a dump truck driver!

Screw you!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

It wouldn't be fair to the legions of dump truck drivers to have to put up with him either. It appears he's ours to deal with, no matter how FANTASTIC he thinks the bucket system is.

 

[Tomct]

I call 'em as I see 'em- you are a self-serving a$s who doesn't care who gets screwed as long as it is not you! You have consistently and continually berated, belittled, insulted and verbally hosed everyone here from ASA. You are an idiot, and the world of aviation would be a lot better off if you were a dump truck driver!

Screw you!

Jmoney, don't waste your breathe. Sky is too busy looking at himself in the mirror with his uniform on and telling himself just how "Great" he is....uke:.

Skywst pilot, I would have to agree with PCL. JA would be negotiating for you (skywst pilots) and the ALPA CREW for the ASA pilots. Do you REALLY trust JA that much?

 

[~~~^~~~]

no one I know wanted to buy you guys, none of you wanted to be bought by us, right?

You don't know anyone at SkyWest?

 

[~~~^~~~]

I'm hoping ALPA will be on property to deal with this. If you look at the company directory you can choose ASA and see all their pilots' DOH. I'm at about 48% at SKW. With a DOH merger I'd be at about 55%. Very few, if any skywest pilots would benefit from a DOH merger. Nearly all ASA pilots would benefit

Amazing the logic. SkyWest grows at the expense of ASA, by literally taking ASA's jets and those guys do not want to be displaced by a merger with the pilots who's airplanes they took. Not one number.

Don't worry "Viper." You'll be OK. You even make a good point about being better off with ALPA if this ever happens.