Skywest, ASA DOH integration?

[John Pennekamp]

Yeah, that's what you do. Show me where I have written anything anti ALPA. All I have done is trying point out to you that Skywest management is pretty crafty, and what you're all excited about may not be as you see it.

I don't expect anything from you, but if Skywest Pylot knew who I was he'd $hit. He'd for sure take back that statement.

So just answer the damn question and stop tap dancing. ARE you or are you NOT going to vote in favor of ALPA?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Simple question:

If ALPA couldn't get a single carrier petition approved in the TransStates/GoJet deal, how is ALPA/ASA possibly going to get a single carrier petition approved with ASA/Skywest?

Its really gonna be quite simple, the previous decision from the Gheyjhet/TSA petition will be used. The judge denied the petition based upon the facts that the two carriers had different route structures, different codeshares,different bases and different aircraft types. Use the above to compare and contrast the SKYW/ASA situation? Thought so the judge in the ASA/SKYW case would simply use the previous decision as a rationale for deciding for the one carrier petition. Butt What the he!! place your hands over your ears and yell NOOOO, NOOOO, that will keep this from happening. And guess what SKYW pilots, will not have the protections of the Allegheney/Mohawk Labor protections Act, not being collectively bargained will preclude them from those protections.
PBR

 

[Jon Rivoli]

If Skywest votes in ALPA they won't need a single carrier petition, Jerry will merge the two companies because there will no longer be an advantage to keeping them seperate. As far as DOH? Why that might just be Sept. 2005 for all ASA pilots. Be careful what you wish for, these guys are clever.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

If Skywest votes in ALPA they won't need a single carrier petition, Jerry will merge the two companies because there will no longer be an advantage to keeping them seperate. As far as DOH? Why that might just be Sept. 2005 for all ASA pilots. Be careful what you wish for, these guys are clever.

Jon,
They thought they were clever when they made TF the SLC Chief Pilot, guess the DD fiasco showed them what a good idea that was. Again Jon you need to get a glimpse through the reality glass. ASA has the AMLP act to protect their interests, SKYW guys do not. It very well could go the same way with nothing but a flip of the list with the SKYW stapled to the ASA list since there is no provision in the above act to prevent that. Bet you would love that, ASA guys moving to FAT city bumping you down the list back onto reserve. You say it won't happen? Show me the language that says it won't! ASA has the AMLP language in their T/A, soon to be their contract, wadda you have? Capt.B(deal me an ace, you won't regret it)H's word he will "look after" you? I can hardly wait, thats right don't vote just leave the phone on the hook(so they can call and JR man you). Pretty big stakes to betting hope on. Take responsibility for your career, and let St. George take responsibility for the airline, they have proven they don't do that well when they have to do both, but if you like PBS , there is more of that coming your way.
PBR

 

[Nevets]

Skywest can decide to merge the two operations right now. If this happens, the ASA contract says that the since Skywest pilots are not represented by ALPA that section 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk LPPs shall apply. That means that ASA pilots represented by ALPA would negotiate directly with Skywest management (since Skywest pilots are not represented by ALPA). Section 3 of the LPP only says that the outcome has to be "fair and equitable" to the ASA pilots. Of course both parties would negotiate in their best interests and ASA pilots would interpret "fair and equitable" in their interest. Really the only interest Skywest management has in this negotiation with ASA pilots is to keep costs as low as possible (think training, moving costs, etc). ASA pilots will have QOL, pay, etc as their interests. If Skywest management and ASA pilots cannot come to an agreement they would go to mediation and then arbitration (section 13 of the LPP). Of course Skywest management would represent Skywest pilots in mediation and arbitration.

Now, if Skywest pilots were represented by ALPA, they (Skywest pilots) would represent themselves with their own interests in mind directly with ASA pilots. Management would have no say in the seniority integration whatsoever. The pilot groups with their own negotiators, attorneys, etc would negotiate with themselves (ALPA Merger Policy). And if they cannot come to an agreement, mediation and arbitration is also part of the AMP. The difference is that both pilot groups are represented by and for themselves with their own respective interests in mind, NOT management's interests!

 

[PCL_128]

Excellent post, Nevets. Thank God that someone around here knows what they're talking about.

 

[front9]

I find it funny how it is only the ASA pilots who want to merge lists. Quite frankly, none of the Skywest pilots want a merger to happen at all. ASA wants DOH that’s fine by me…you all became Skywest Pilots as of September 2005 so you are free to join our list from there.

But seriously, if you want to start with DOH at the negotiating table I will make sure we at Skywest start negotiations with STAPLE, cant wait to see you at the table J.P. I have a feeling the judge will throw out the one list anyway and keep us separate.

Your turn TOM********************…oh wait here’s TC’s response…SHUT IT!!! Hehehe...TOMCANT the internet tough guy, I love it!!!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I find it funny how it is only the ASA pilots who want to merge lists. Quite frankly, none of the Skywest pilots want a merger to happen at all. ASA wants DOH that’s fine by me…you all became Skywest Pilots as of September 2005 so you are free to join our list from there.

But seriously, if you want to start with DOH at the negotiating table I will make sure we at Skywest start negotiations with STAPLE, cant wait to see you at the table J.P. I have a feeling the judge will throw out the one list anyway and keep us separate.

Your turn TOM********************…oh wait here’s TC’s response…SHUT IT!!! Hehehe...TOMCANT the internet tough guy, I love it!!!

You are right no one wants the merger to happen, ASA or SKYW, but if you think that you will see the ASA guys get DOH of Sept 5, you are not only misinformed but possibly totally clueless. I am sure BH will start with staple, Just deal him an ace, you won't regret it. BOHICA, and you are too dense to realize its coming at you at .85M. The fact that your upgrade will go from 18mos to 3-4 years won't bother me in the least, the last thing SKYW Inc needs is someone as foolish and ignorant as you acting as PIC. Hopefully you will go somewhere else for that street capt job and leave SKYW intact.
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

But seriously, if you want to start with DOH at the negotiating table I will make sure we at Skywest start negotiations with STAPLE, cant wait to see you at the table J.P. I have a feeling the judge will throw out the one list anyway and keep us separate.

Are you a management troll? SKYW pilots do not have a seat at that table. You will live with whatever BH and the ASA pilot MEC decide. Yeah the single carrier petition is never granted, your legal expertise is what will save you from the extended upgrade time.
Keep saying it wont happen, over and over, then click your heels together 3 times and wish real hard, tard!
PBR

 

[front9]

Hold on a min... you sir are the one that is totally clueless. Please read my post again...you missed the sarcasm (you see where I said "But seriously")

BTW, did you even read my post or just cut and past and get all emotional like you always do? I did not say I would put my life in BH or JA's hand. Do you even work for SKYW or ASA? Do you have a dog in this fight or are you just some flamer?

Have a nice day

 

[front9]

SKYW pilots WILL have a seat at the table come Nov. 6. where the hell have you been?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hold on a min... you sir are the one that is totally clueless. Please read my post again...you missed the sarcasm (you see where I said "But seriously")

BTW, did you even read my post or just cut and past and get all emotional like you always do? I did not say I would put my life in BH or JA's hand. Do you even work for SKYW or ASA? Do you have a dog in this fight or are you just some flamer?

Have a nice day

Wellll,
I read your post, completely missed your reference to sarcasm. I am quite clueless, I just can't resist jousting with the drinkers of kool-aid. Your sarcasm sounded like kool-aid to me. My dog is in the fight(see left), and he has a vested interest in the fight, you see his food comes from my paycheck.
PBR
P.S. chalk this one up to a hair trigger keyboard!

 

[No.W.]

No matter what, a merger would be hard. With ALPA at both companies...it's going to be better than without. IMHO JA and friends would simply do what costs the least both in time and money. There would be the typical SAPA(if there is no SKWALPA) spin on the agreement and the typical people would bite off on it. There would be some kind of campaign to keep all the SAPA lovers happy. Then, after all is said and done, we would be integrated.

HOWEVER, if ALPA is voted in at SkyWest...things will be at least slightly different. It is my belief that things would be better. That is why I voted yes...at least one reason.

 

[front9]

Its always tough to be sarcastic with just written words alone. The Kool-Aid drinkers such as DL ME and JB will soon be out of their cushy SAPA job. Most likely they will have some management position waiting for them at Skyw come NOV. 6 (special projects just like TF)

I see that you indeed have a vested interest and I for one am in this to protect the interests and career development of SKYW pilots not ASA.

ASA pilots on this board use buzz-words like unity, brotherhood etc etc when they were first bought by SKYW in 05'. They talk about how they would fairly integrate the list had ASA bought us instead.

Now all I see are vicious attacks and threats against SKYW pilots and how they(ASA) are going to merge DOH. Over my dead body they will. Sorry if I get a little passionate about this debate but I strongly believe in SKYW pilots and our future and work hard to make sure that we are protected as a pilot group.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Its always tough to be sarcastic with just written words alone. The Kool-Aid drinkers such as DL ME and JB will soon be out of their cushy SAPA job. Most likely they will have some management position waiting for them at Skyw come NOV. 6 (special projects just like TF)

I see that you indeed have a vested interest and I for one am in this to protect the interests and career development of SKYW pilots not ASA.

ASA pilots on this board use buzz-words like unity, brotherhood etc etc when they were first bought by SKYW in 05'. They talk about how they would fairly integrate the list had ASA bought us instead.

Now all I see are vicious attacks and threats against SKYW pilots and how they(ASA) are going to merge DOH. Over my dead body they will. Sorry if I get a little passionate about this debate but I strongly believe in SKYW pilots and our future and work hard to make sure that we are protected as a pilot group.

Hey,
The only way to insure that we have a seat at the table is to be collectively bargained. SKYW success is in part due to the pilots, and I for one am tired of being looked at as a line item cost. JA and et al started looking at us as a commodity, units that produce a profit margin. They used to care about us, no longer! PBS reserve bucket system, systematic dismantling of our health insurance, all in the interest of profit. If we don't look out for each other who will? BH, DL, DA, TF, KB, et al. Whatever happens will happen, I am a firm believer that the single carrier petition is just on the other side of the vote, only time will tell. I don't listen to St George, I just watch for what is happening and wait to see how it will affect me.
PBR
P.S. Good luck, we are gonna need it if the vote fails. I see the extra delux cornholeing coming our way.