NO JS to anti-ALPA types

[JoeMerchant]

No, I support Captain's authority. The jumpseat belongs to the Captain, and it is his to do with as he pleases. Personally, I feel that denying the jumpseat should be reserved for extreme cases, such as SCABs, HoJet pilots, and yes, vocal RJDC supporters.

In the case of non-union pilots, I'm undecided. I never denied a non-union pilot, but I certainly asked them questions about their support for a union, and if they were sitting in the flight deck, then they would be hearing all about the importance of unions for the entire flight. Although I didn't deny them, I don't really fault anyone who does.

How about pilots who paid an Eastern scab to sit in the cockpit of an airliner, then went to a substandard pay RJ regional, then went to an LCC that pays less than industry standard for 737/717....

You are so blinded by the union koolaid, that you can't even see that your own actions are contributing to this downward spiral.... and you want to deny the jumpseat to those who actually want to fix ALPA.... what a piece of work you are....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe,

Maybe, the J/S er tinkled in the Captain's wheaties. FYI, it pays to be political and practice a little diplomacy every once and a while--especially when one is J/S ing. How bad do you want it--the J/S? Espousing strong positional views only works on Flightinfo. If Jumpseating, in reality, you are placing yourself in a subserviant position and at the mercy of the god like figure in the left seat. Just like a check ride, it's "Yes Sir, No Sir, 3 bags full, Sir!"

The captain asked a question and the JS gave his honest answer.... Do people have to lie when asked a question so that they can get a ride home? How many USAir or United pilots have much good to say about ALPA? How about the former TWA pilots? Should they have to lie just to get home?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Should they have to lie just to get home?

yes..



Joey....if you showed up to j/s with a RJDC button or badge backer, your jumpseat request would be conditional.... hand over the RJDC "stuff" (you'll get it back after the flight) or don't ride.

I get to fly my jet and give you a ride and not be offended. Fair?


Can I jumpseat on a SKYW jet and tell the CA he's making a poor choice against ALPA?

 

[JoeMerchant]

yes..

There you have it folks.... one of ALPA's biggest cheerleaders says you should have to lie to get home if you don't think much of ALPA..... makes you just want to sign up and become one of the lemmings.....

So much for honesty, integrity, and code of ethics.....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

There you have it folks.... one of ALPA's biggest cheerleaders says you should have to lie to get home if you don't think much of ALPA..... makes you just want to sign up and become one of the lemmings.....

Can I show up and offend a CA by speaking my mind and being truthful when requesting his/her jumpseat?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Can I show up and offend a CA by speaking my mind and being truthful when requesting his/her jumpseat?

Well Joey??

 

[JoeMerchant]

yes..



Joey....if you showed up to j/s with a RJDC button or badge backer, your jumpseat request would be conditional.... hand over the RJDC "stuff" (you'll get it back after the flight) or don't ride.

I get to fly my jet and give you a ride and not be offended. Fair?


Can I jumpseat on a SKYW jet and tell the CA he's making a poor choice against ALPA?

A professional would realize that we have different opinions and would use the opportunity to "educate" the person to those different opinions..... A radical despot would use it as a weapon to punish someone who doesn't drink the koolaid....

How does your opinion jive with the ALPA code of ethics....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Can I show up and offend a CA by speaking my mind and being truthful when requesting his/her jumpseat?

I give rides to those who agree with me and to those who don't..... If you are asked a question, you should be able to answer it truthfully..... If you don't want to hear the answer, then you shouldn't ask the question.....

 

[PCL_128]

what a piece of work you are....

Coming from you, Joe, I take that as a compliment.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I give rides to those who agree with me and to those who don't..... If you are asked a question, you should be able to answer it truthfully..... If you don't want to hear the answer, then you shouldn't ask the question.....

Joey.... c;mon you can debate better than this... get rid of the bias and debate the issue...

We aren't talking about a difference of opinion... we are talking about being offensive!!!

Can I request the jumpseat from a female capt. and tell her that men are better pilots?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joey.... c;mon you can debate better than this... get rid of the bias and debate the issue...

We aren't talking about a difference of opinion... we are talking about being offensive!!!

Can I request the jumpseat from a female capt. and tell her that men are better pilots?

I take mainline pilots who think they are superior all the time....

Typical mainline pilot who asks for the jumpseat usually has to inform me that they are hiring.... I find that offensive... but I don't kick them off the aircraft.... I take them home and treat them as an EQUAL even if they don't do the same.....

If you ask me about a controversial question, then you should be prepared for the answer..... If you don't want to hear my opinion, then don't ask me the question....

If this jumpseater had just volunteered this opinion, that would be one thing.... but he was asked his opinion.... and he gave it....

I didn't realize there was a litmus test for the jumpseat....

You never answered how this jives with the ALPA code of ethics.....

 

[Ridgeback]

Wholly $hit!

Are you telling me there will be some questionnaire when I come and ask for a ride?
A350

YES!

1.Can I see your FAA licence, medical, and Company ID.

2. Are you an FFDO

Unless of course you don't apply because you sir after flying your 172 for 300 hours deserve this guys jumpseat and he should respect the fact that you took the time out of your day to grace him with your presence...

I like the idea of no ALPA no Jumpseat...I'll apply it to the RED tail that I fly...

After all ALPA is a brotherhood and we take care of each other

 

[PCL_128]

You never answered how this jives with the ALPA code of ethics.....

Care to point out a section of the Code that you think applies to this situation? I certainly can't find one. Denying a jumpseat to a loyal ALPA member could certainly be seen as contrary to the Code, but that's about it.

 

[JoeMerchant]

YES!

1.Can I see your FAA licence, medical, and Company ID.

2. Are you an FFDO

Unless of course you don't apply because you sir after flying your 172 for 300 hours deserve this guys jumpseat and he should respect the fact that you took the time out of your day to grace him with your presence...

I like the idea of no ALPA no Jumpseat...I'll apply it to the RED tail that I fly...

After all ALPA is a brotherhood and we take care of each other

That's a good one.....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I take mainline pilots who think they are superior all the time....

Typical mainline pilot who asks for the jumpseat usually has to inform me that they are hiring.... I find that offensive... but I don't kick them off the aircraft.... I take them home and treat them as an EQUAL even if they don't do the same.....

Did they offend you? When do you draw the line Joey?

If you ask me about a controversial question, then you should be prepared for the answer..... If you don't want to hear my opinion, then don't ask me the question....

Sure I'll give an answer, but it wil be tactful... you like to go round and round...

If this jumpseater had just volunteered this opinion, that would be one thing.... but he was asked his opinion.... and he gave it....

And he got denied. PIC authority Joey...

I didn't realize there was a litmus test for the jumpseat....

It's called, yes, please, thank you. Can I help?

You never answered how this jives with the ALPA code of ethics.....

Find the section that relates... if you can...

 

[swordfish]

............wise move

 

[pookie]

I work for AQ and the reason i denied him the jumpseat was not due to his union vote but due to the fact he said Fukc ALPA. In those words.

I had his name and will submit his attitude to the j/s coordinator. People can vote what they want but dont come to my plane and piss on what i have worked for.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Maybe if ALPA didn't keep fcking things up, people would quit saying it...... Truth hurts people.....

We are competing with each other and ALPA not only hasn't stopped it, they have contributed to it..... We are undercutting each other with ALPA's blessing.....

When someone tells it like it is, they get kicked off the jumpseat..... The problem is he told the truth....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Maybe if ALPA didn't keep fcking things up, people would quit saying it...... Truth hurts people.....

We are competing with each other and ALPA not only hasn't stopped it, they have contributed to it..... We are undercutting each other with ALPA's blessing.....

When someone tells it like it is, they get kicked off the jumpseat..... The problem is he told the truth....

Joey..now you are changing your tune!

You said the j/s wasn't political and the requester got political and unprofessional. Need a Code Of Ethics reference now?

Sorry Joey.. as usual.. you are a hypocrite, biased and lack the skill set to focus on the issue. Bitter man you are.....

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Maybe if ALPA didn't keep fcking things up, people would quit saying it...... Truth hurts people.....

We are competing with each other and ALPA not only hasn't stopped it, they have contributed to it..... We are undercutting each other with ALPA's blessing.....

When someone tells it like it is, they get kicked off the jumpseat..... The problem is he told the truth....

I agree with you Joe. If you aren't prepared for an opinion different from your own, then don't ask the question.

One of the huge problems in America today is tolerance and understanding for positions different from your own. We shouldn't be denying a jumpseat to someone because they've made a decision about a position that is different. They may have excellent reasons for that position.

I wouldn't kick someone off of the jumpseat unless they deserved it, and few things make them deserve it. Being rude or arrogant perhaps would fit the bill.