NO JS to anti-ALPA types

[A350]

PCL:

The problem you have is with Captains Authority. The reason Captains authority has been eroded over time is because of malcontents who use the very thing you hold dear to further their own agendas or further some PERSONAL ideal. I have watched with some disdain over the past 20 years how we have lost ground in this regard...and it is because of tools like pookie and others who use hard fought gains as a political weapon or to further their own agenda. It doesn't work....and it furthers the notion that we cannot police ourselves so the "right" is taken away.

Flame all you want, but Captains Authority is and always has been the Captains right to get what he wants to further the SAFETY of the operation. Not whether some guy who agrees with him on a religious, philosophical, union, or political basis gets the professional courtesy of a ride. There are only two sides to a jumpseat war, and both sides LOSE. The guy who didn't get home will hate ALPA till the day he dies. The guy who denied him the ride will get his someday and that is how the business works.

Pookie, you didn't uphold the profession that day. It may look like it to the goons who support your actions, but all you did was weaken the support of the union.

Never ask a question that you don't want to hear the answer to.

A350

 

[PCL_128]

Actually it belongs to the airline and ops manuals put limitations on its use. The captain has the authority to deny it to some people, and cannot put someone in it that the ops manual prohibits.

Some people? Don't know where you got that idea. The Captain has the authority to deny anyone he wants for any reason. The only exceptions are Feds are secret service on official business, and he still has the right to deny them in the interest of safety.

The jumpseat belongs to the Captain. Period. End of story.

 

[FishandFly]

Some people? Don't know where you got that idea. The Captain has the authority to deny anyone he wants for any reason. The only exceptions are Feds are secret service on official business, and he still has the right to deny them in the interest of safety.

The jumpseat belongs to the Captain. Period. End of story.

That is incorrect. Any captain that tries to refuse a fed, SS, etc. will be removed from the flight. The extra stripe doesn't give some magical power.

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

That is incorrect. Any captain that tries to refuse a fed, SS, etc. will be removed from the flight. The extra stripe doesn't give some magical power.

Not true, I know someone that denied a FED.

 

[Tarzan]

Not true, I know someone that denied a FED.

Balls of steel there. Where do I get my upgrade from balls of stone?

 

[vectorvictor]

Some people? Don't know where you got that idea. The Captain has the authority to deny anyone he wants for any reason. The only exceptions are Feds are secret service on official business, and he still has the right to deny them in the interest of safety.

The jumpseat belongs to the Captain. Period. End of story.

Yes...but no. The seat belongs to the airline (or more likely the financing company that holds the note on the plane).

The right to refuse an elligible jumpseat rider is the PIC's discretion. Your time would have been better spent educating the young prick rather than sending him back to the terminal. Besides freedom of expression (1st ammendment) entitles the prick to his or her own opinion. Maybe I'll just deny all the white catholic Irish folk from my jumpseat on pure principle. The denial of a jumpseater allows the Captain the ability to restrict access to his or her flight deck. Its not a political tool or license to discriminate without just cause.

 

[PCL_128]

That is incorrect. Any captain that tries to refuse a fed, SS, etc. will be removed from the flight. The extra stripe doesn't give some magical power.

Where do you guys come up with this crap? A Fed isn't allowed to interfere with operations of a 121 or 135 airline. He is allowed to inspect to the degree that the operation isn't interfered with, and that includes not being allowed to cause delays. If the Captain decides to deny the Fed, then the flight will still go as scheduled without the Fed, and the Captain will merely have to answer for it later. If he can't provide a reason that includes safety of flight, then there will be consequences, but as long as the Captain is able to display his certificate and his medical to the Fed, then the Fed has no right to remove him from the flight.

 

[PCL_128]

Yes...but no. The seat belongs to the airline (or more likely the financing company that holds the note on the plane).

As soon as the Captain signs for that airplane, then the jumpseat is his to do with as he pleases. The airline has zero right to force the Captain to allow anyone on the jumpseat, and the FAA has backed ALPA on that interpretation.

 

[PCL_128]

The problem you have is with Captains Authority. The reason Captains authority has been eroded over time is because of malcontents who use the very thing you hold dear to further their own agendas or further some PERSONAL ideal.

No, the reason that Captains' authority has declined over the years is because too many Captain allow it. I used to get emails from our Captains constantly complaining to me that the airline didn't schedule them enough time for a single meal break in a 15 hour duty day. My response was always simple: "you're the Captain. Delay the flight until you've had enough time for you and your crew to eat." Only about 10% of them had the balls to do it. The rest willfully gave up their Captain's authority simply because they didn't want to rock the boat. The guys that had the balls to act like a frickin' Captain never got in any trouble, because the regs still provide for Captain's authority whether the airlines like it or not.

Captain's authority has never been impacted by anything related to guy "pushing a political agenda," and certainly nothing related to abusing the control of the jumpseat. Captain's authority has been compromised because we don't have enough "old-school" guys in the left seat nowadays that have any balls.

 

[Occam's Razor]

That is incorrect. Any captain that tries to refuse a fed, SS, etc. will be removed from the flight. The extra stripe doesn't give some magical power.

Wrong!

I threw an Air Carrier Inspector (110A) of my jumpseat in FAR in 2002.

Told him he wasn't going; called my Chief Pilot; flew the jet to MSP...and beyond, uninterrupted, for the remainder of my trip.

No big deal.

Rules is rules.

Never had a Secret Service guy ride the jumpseat, but I can toss them off too, regardless of who is on the flight.

Know the rules, my son.