NO JS to anti-ALPA types

[JoeMerchant]

Two things.

1) I believe pookie works at SKW????

2) Any chance he wrote this just to get a rise out of everybody????

1. Doesn't matter where he works.

2. I doubt it..... many union/ALPA diehards feel the same way.... However if you ask a question, be prepared for an honest answer..... I don't think lieing is a prerequisite for the jumpseat....

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

Two things.

1) I believe pookie works at SKW????

2) Any chance he wrote this just to get a rise out of everybody????

He does. Heres a link to one of his posts

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=74043

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

He answered a question honestly..... are we supposed to lie to get on the jumpseat? If asked about my opinion, I will answer it honestly.... does that exempt me from the jumpseat.... be carefull about your answer....

From what was said and w/o the FO's side of the story...I think the FO had zero social situational awareness...

After speaking to him for 15 minutes about how we need to unify all pilot groups as a collective whole, I realized that he did not care.

If you want a ride then just say... you've got some points on unions btw.... How about those Colo. Rockies? Or those Padre uniforms look like custard...

As I said....I would not have denied him... but if you want the j/s and the CA is wearing a 'W' button passionately, you don't tell him Hilary will save the world...

As usual... it takes two... let's not hang one guy

 

[FlySacto]

He does. Heres a link to one of his posts

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=74043

pookie,

You dumped one of our own guys who's lips are still stained with the kool-aid while he was non-reving? Please "splain" to us what that's about. Regardless, what a class act to start this post no matter if it's true or what your stance is on the drive.

 

[Speedtape]

1. Doesn't matter where he works.

2. I doubt it..... many union/ALPA diehards feel the same way.... However if you ask a question, be prepared for an honest answer..... I don't think lieing is a prerequisite for the jumpseat....

Does anyone remember a guaranteed J/S being part of that guarantee of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The only person that is guaranteed the J/S is an FAA inspector--it actually belongs to them. If someone offended me, I would deny him also. It would not make sense to have a hostile environment in the cockpit.

 

[Morning Wood]

Perhaps Pookie should talk to BP about signing union cards to get into his jumpseat. As I recall, BP got a little time off.

I find it rather sad that someone would treat a fellow employee that way, but I'd be surprised if this even happened. Sounds like a lot of big talk to lick the asses of all the ALPA people on here.

 

[Morning Wood]

From what was said and w/o the FO's side of the story...I think the FO had zero social situational awareness...



If you want a ride then just say... you've got some points on unions btw.... How about those Colo. Rockies? Or those Padre uniforms look like custard...

As I said....I would not have denied him... but if you want the j/s and the CA is wearing a 'W' button passionately, you don't tell him Hilary will save the world...

As usual... it takes two... let's not hang one guy

Would it have been okay if Pookie had asked the guy what he thought about abortion, global warming, gay rights, or if he was a born again Christian and booted him off if he didn't like his answer? Grow up for crying out loud.

 

[PCL_128]

I don't think much of ALPA.... going to deny me the jumpseat?

Yep, I would. Along with Dan Ford, Jesse Ashcraft, and the rest of the known RJDC supporters.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Does anyone remember a guaranteed J/S being part of that guarantee of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The only person that is guaranteed the J/S is an FAA inspector--it actually belongs to them. If someone offended me, I would deny him also. It would not make sense to have a hostile environment in the cockpit.

So I can deny those of you who think ALPA is great and wonderful? So I can deny those mainline pilots who think their scope policies are great... Slippery slope there Speedtape....

I don't think you ALPA true believers want to go down this road..... should we all issue a questionaire to each jumpseater?

If having a different opinion in your cockpit constitutes a "hostile environment", then I have to question your abilities.... I could function fine with you in the cockpit, and I don't agree with much of what you say.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yep, I would. Along with Dan Ford, Jesse Ashcraft, and the rest of the known RJDC supporters.

Fine, then I will deny you the jumpseat.... and anyone who thinks like you.... Let's see how long this lasts... Kinda stupid, but that is what jumpseat wars are.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Those of you on the fence regarding ALPA representation...... notice how the ALPA diehards are now advocating using the jumpseat as a weapon..... That is the sign of a weak argument...... Anyone who felt they had a strong argument would realize that the jumpseat is an opportunity to exchange different opionions..... The ALPA fanatics don't want that however....

 

[PCL_128]

So I can deny those of you who think ALPA is great and wonderful?

You can do whatever you want to do with your jumpseat, Joe. It is, after all, your jumpseat. We had a couple of Captains at PCL that would deny jumpseats to NWA pilots. I didn't personally agree with their decision, and plenty of pilots thought that ALPA should do something about it to prevent a loss of the JS agreement (although I still don't know what they think we could have done to force a guy to allow a JSer), but I always defended the right of the Captains to approve or deny jumpseaters at their discretion.

 

[Speedtape]

Fine, then I will deny you the jumpseat.... and anyone who thinks like you.... Let's see how long this lasts... Kinda stupid, but that is what jumpseat wars are.....

What is a J/S war? Is it a myth? When was the last J/S war?

 

[Speedtape]

Those of you on the fence regarding ALPA representation...... notice how the ALPA diehards are now advocating using the jumpseat as a weapon..... That is the sign of a weak argument...... Anyone who felt they had a strong argument would realize that the jumpseat is an opportunity to exchange different opionions..... The ALPA fanatics don't want that however....

How about the ALPA moderates?

 

[JoeMerchant]

You can do whatever you want to do with your jumpseat, Joe. It is, after all, your jumpseat. We had a couple of Captains at PCL that would deny jumpseats to NWA pilots. I didn't personally agree with their decision, and plenty of pilots thought that ALPA should do something about it to prevent a loss of the JS agreement (although I still don't know what they think we could have done to force a guy to allow a JSer), but I always defended the right of the Captains to approve or deny jumpseaters at their discretion.

So you condone the use of the jumpseat as a weapon? Is it any wonder that ALPA is having difficulty..... shouldn't have to use the threat of the jumpseat...... Pathetic and more proof that ALPA has lost touch......

 

[Brasilia Flyer]

and what airline do you fly for?

I'd like to know myself.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Perhaps Pookie should talk to BP about signing union cards to get into his jumpseat. As I recall, BP got a little time off.

I find it rather sad that someone would treat a fellow employee that way, but I'd be surprised if this even happened. Sounds like a lot of big talk to lick the asses of all the ALPA people on here.

Brad Pitt got a little time off???

 

[PCL_128]

So you condone the use of the jumpseat as a weapon?

No, I support Captain's authority. The jumpseat belongs to the Captain, and it is his to do with as he pleases. Personally, I feel that denying the jumpseat should be reserved for extreme cases, such as SCABs, HoJet pilots, and yes, vocal RJDC supporters.

In the case of non-union pilots, I'm undecided. I never denied a non-union pilot, but I certainly asked them questions about their support for a union, and if they were sitting in the flight deck, then they would be hearing all about the importance of unions for the entire flight. Although I didn't deny them, I don't really fault anyone who does.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So you condone the use of the jumpseat as a weapon?......

Kinda like Pat Benatar? Like that Joe?

There is PIC authority and there is social grace when requesting the jumpseat...

Would it have been okay if Pookie had asked the guy what he thought about abortion, global warming, gay rights, or if he was a born again Christian and booted him off if he didn't like his answer? Grow up for crying out loud.

Pookie can ask whatever he wants to ask on his flightdeck. And if Pookie doesn't like the answers, then Pookie can invite said jumpseat requester to go away. PIC authority. This isn't diplomacy 101 and the Student UN.

In reality should Pookie have been so Pookie? Proabably not...but then again the requester should have had tact. can I come to your house and offend you? Can I stay afterwards?


Joey M. always with the bias hate. You can't be objective.

What is a J/S war? Is it a myth? When was the last J/S war?

Its kinda like the Clone Wars when all the Jedi, er I mean RJDC fighters were killed. There is one last hope, Joey M. He is the rebel Jedi that will destroy the Dark Side that is ALPA. But only before he reconciles with Darth Prater in an all out love fest, with those stupid teddy bears in the woods...

 

[Speedtape]

Those of you on the fence regarding ALPA representation...... notice how the ALPA diehards are now advocating using the jumpseat as a weapon..... That is the sign of a weak argument...... Anyone who felt they had a strong argument would realize that the jumpseat is an opportunity to exchange different opionions..... The ALPA fanatics don't want that however....

Joe,

Maybe, the J/S er tinkled in the Captain's wheaties. FYI, it pays to be political and practice a little diplomacy every once and a while--especially when one is J/S ing. How bad do you want it--the J/S? Espousing strong positional views only works on Flightinfo. If Jumpseating, in reality, you are placing yourself in a subserviant position and at the mercy of the god like figure in the left seat. Just like a check ride, it's "Yes Sir, No Sir, 3 bags full, Sir!"