New Jetblue pay raise!

[elag777]

This coming from some dumbass regional flight attendant! Take a hike troll! This is the majors board Stick to something you know, like coke or diet coke!

737

You don't have to be such a nasty person!:smash:

 

[johnsonrod]

Not trying to flame here, but what percentage of former legacy pilots are actually leaving JetBlue to return to their former carriers? What is the estimate? Also, I have heard that a number of JetBlue pilots have been leaving for SWA lately - is that true?

Hey, any raise is an improvement. I can see how they want to improve E190 pay because there are regional pilots on the E145 earning far more than what JetBlue is paying for the E190. The E190 is really flown like a regional aircraft at JetBlue too. If you want to attract or at least keep good pilots, you need to offer good rates - it's that simple...

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

If you want to attract or at least keep good pilots, you need to offer good rates - it's that simple...

That is obviously the strategy here. It is incredibly expensive to hire new guys and train them in.

JBLU is in a lose-lose situation here.

They lose money off the bottom line by giving pay raises and a DC plan.

Option 2 is to give no raise and lose pilots who choose to go back to their jobs at the legacies since the pay is better.

Personally, I am wondering if the raise isn't an excercise in futility as I wonder how many JBLU pilots actually feel in their heart that JBLU is a viable long-term entity. I only see the attrition rate increasing.

Please excuse me now, as I have to go throw a few back with Doug Parker at the titty bar.

 

[8vATE]

Personally, I am wondering if the raise isn't an excercise in futility as I wonder how many JBLU pilots actually feel in their heart that JBLU is a viable long-term entity. I only see the attrition rate increasing.

Please excuse me now, as I have to go throw a few back with Doug Parker at the titty bar.

I'm all for more money and all the perks.
But I'm also interested in a sustainable, profitable business plan that allows the company to grow. Sometimes I feel all alone when I mention that to people.

I will add one thing.

JetBlue looked awful good to all those furloughees (me included) when I was on the street. And they didn't force anyone to come here and resign their number. That's no excuse for not having a competitive compensation package though. Things are a changing.

Tell Doogie Parker that after hitting the strip club and getting some of that stripper cheap perfume on you, its a good idea to fill up you 700 series Beemer and "spill" a little gas on yourself. You'll pass that wife smell inspection when you get home.

 

[PCL_128]

But I'm also interested in a sustainable, profitable business plan that allows the company to grow.

I think everyone's interested in that, but your salary and retirement have very little to do with it. Your compensation isn't even a blip on the balance sheet radar.

 

[737 Pylt]

You don't have to be such a nasty person!:smash:

If you knew the person, you'd agree that my statement was right on!

737

 

[SonicPig]

That is obviously the strategy here. It is incredibly expensive to hire new guys and train them in.

JBLU is in a lose-lose situation here.

They lose money off the bottom line by giving pay raises and a DC plan.

Option 2 is to give no raise and lose pilots who choose to go back to their jobs at the legacies since the pay is better.

Personally, I am wondering if the raise isn't an excercise in futility as I wonder how many JBLU pilots actually feel in their heart that JBLU is a viable long-term entity. I only see the attrition rate increasing.

Please excuse me now, as I have to go throw a few back with Doug Parker
at the titty bar.

Frank. Is that all you have?
Geeze Man, I've come to expect a biting wit. The kind that that takes a few minutes off the life expectancy of Blujuice Drinkers.
You're correct, it won't effect attrition.

Who you shorting in the airline biz?

Pig.

 

[FADEC]

I think everyone's interested in that, but your salary and retirement have very little to do with it. Your compensation isn't even a blip on the balance sheet radar.

Hey pay for training boy your opinions are absolutely worthless on this forum.

 

[Falconjet]

Not trying to flame here, but what percentage of former legacy pilots are actually leaving JetBlue to return to their former carriers? What is the estimate? Also, I have heard that a number of JetBlue pilots have been leaving for SWA lately - is that true?

Hey, any raise is an improvement. I can see how they want to improve E190 pay because there are regional pilots on the E145 earning far more than what JetBlue is paying for the E190. The E190 is really flown like a regional aircraft at JetBlue too. If you want to attract or at least keep good pilots, you need to offer good rates - it's that simple...

Man, if only that were true.

FJ

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Not trying to flame here, but what percentage of former legacy pilots are actually leaving JetBlue to return to their former carriers? What is the estimate? Also, I have heard that a number of JetBlue pilots have been leaving for SWA lately - is that true?

Hey, any raise is an improvement. I can see how they want to improve E190 pay because there are regional pilots on the E145 earning far more than what JetBlue is paying for the E190. The E190 is really flown like a regional aircraft at JetBlue too. If you want to attract or at least keep good pilots, you need to offer good rates - it's that simple...

Pay is not the only issue. A business plan that calls for sustained profitability is my biggest beef. We can't make money with these redicerous fares and little to no hedges. I would luv to be at a place that eats, sleeps and breathes profits. Our operations are too inefficient to truly rock the quarterly numbers. But then I am on the Junior Varsity team and every bad thing you read about jb is in truth, a lie. We have actually been making billions of dollars in profits every year. We also have 99% on time performance and we fly 110% of our schedule. No babies nor small woodland creatures were ever frozen to the tarmac at jfk. Jfk never has delays or 2 hour taxi times. My stock options are worth millions. The only reason pilots help clean the cabins is to sleep with flight attendants ("of course I'm sensitive baby").

Yes, many are leaving. Rumors (fact): 6 the first week of March, 35 or so the first two months of the year. Last year 50-60 (not getting good numbers from the company).

Reserve numbers suck, RSA calls all the time, the seniority list has been hovering around 1800 for a few months now and we having a hard time filling classes. Thus the open houses so close together. It's turning into a direct hire process: come to the interview and if we like you, the paperwork is in order, then you may start w/i a couple of weeks. If you have a backpack, some goo in your hair and a working knowledge of a Dash 8 or CL-65, then you are just what we are looking for. Have all three? You get to sleep with one of Neeleman's daughters (even the young one's, he's Mormon you know).

On the plus side, senior dudes are leaving too so maybe those upgrades won't be so long. But mostly the attrition is from the junior side to places like luv, purp, brown.

The new pay rates are a good step, the retirement (gulp) was var nice (add a b plan and we have a winner) and from what I hear the new reserve rules will really help life for those soon to be 24 month reserve CA stints. So some positives before we all vote for ALPA. At least we get all this stuff frozen when all(pa) hell breaks loose.

 

[clickclickboom]

This is a step in the right direction. Back to crossing seatbelts. Click Click boom they must have noticed my boycott!!!

Yes they did!!

 

[clickclickboom]

Pay is not the only issue. A business plan that calls for sustained profitability is my biggest beef. We can't make money with these redicerous fares and little to no hedges. I would luv to be at a place that eats, sleeps and breathes profits. Our operations are too inefficient to truly rock the quarterly numbers. But then I am on the Junior Varsity team and every bad thing you read about jb is in truth, a lie. We have actually been making billions of dollars in profits every year. We also have 99% on time performance and we fly 110% of our schedule. No babies nor small woodland creatures were ever frozen to the tarmac at jfk. Jfk never has delays or 2 hour taxi times. My stock options are worth millions. The only reason pilots help clean the cabins is to sleep with flight attendants ("of course I'm sensitive baby").

Yes, many are leaving. Rumors (fact): 6 the first week of March, 35 or so the first two months of the year. Last year 50-60 (not getting good numbers from the company).

Reserve numbers suck, RSA calls all the time, the seniority list has been hovering around 1800 for a few months now and we having a hard time filling classes. Thus the open houses so close together. It's turning into a direct hire process: come to the interview and if we like you, the paperwork is in order, then you may start w/i a couple of weeks. If you have a backpack, some goo in your hair and a working knowledge of a Dash 8 or CL-65, then you are just what we are looking for. Have all three? You get to sleep with one of Neeleman's daughters (even the young one's, he's Mormon you know).

On the plus side, senior dudes are leaving too so maybe those upgrades won't be so long. But mostly the attrition is from the junior side to places like luv, purp, brown.

The new pay rates are a good step, the retirement (gulp) was var nice (add a b plan and we have a winner) and from what I hear the new reserve rules will really help life for those soon to be 24 month reserve CA stints. So some positives before we all vote for ALPA. At least we get all this stuff frozen when all(pa) hell breaks loose.

ADD: Sound of violins playing the in background

 

[Bavarian Chef]

ADD: Sound of violins playing the in background

Your sarcasm meter is broken as usual. But since you can't take the time to refute the non-sarcastic items in my post, I have devised the following:

Hey, I got a unique proposal for all those interested in jb. Since you can't get the straight skinny here on FI.com (and we all know the jb vs jb similar is getting old) then PM me and I will give you my bluepilots.com user name and password.

You can then check it out for yourself. That's as straight as it's gonna get.

Imagine chumming around with a chai latte and Longhorn in the "Cabin Cleaning" forum, or maybe you'd like to join forces with Lake Alice in the "General - You Are Not Gonna Believe Every Post is About ALPA" thread. A personal favorite is the "190s Suck, When Are We Gonna Send Them Back to Brazil" thread.

Lots of good stuff in there. Any takers?

 

[elag777]

Your sarcasm meter is broken as usual. But since you can't take the time to refute the non-sarcastic items in my post, I have devised the following:

Hey, I got a unique proposal for all those interested in jb. Since you can't get the straight skinny here on FI.com (and we all know the jb vs jb similar is getting old) then PM me and I will give you my bluepilots.com user name and password.

You can then check it out for yourself. That's as straight as it's gonna get.

Imagine chumming around with a chai latte and Longhorn in the "Cabin Cleaning" forum, or maybe you'd like to join forces with Lake Alice in the "General - You Are Not Gonna Believe Every Post is About ALPA" thread. A personal favorite is the "190s Suck, When Are We Gonna Send Them Back to Brazil" thread.

Lots of good stuff in there. Any takers?

Don't you have to register w/ your employee #? wouldn't be to hard to figure out who a person is?...

PS Your DN daughter thing was a little tasteless IMOA

 

[FDJ2]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but at the end of the day, it's a pay raise and a benefits package improvement, and that can't be a bad thing in this industry. However it is they got it, it's a good thing and I'm happy for them them. It's a step in the right direction.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Your sarcasm meter is broken as usual. But since you can't take the time to refute the non-sarcastic items in my post, I have devised the following:

Hey, I got a unique proposal for all those interested in jb. Since you can't get the straight skinny here on FI.com (and we all know the jb vs jb similar is getting old) then PM me and I will give you my bluepilots.com user name and password.

You can then check it out for yourself. That's as straight as it's gonna get.

Imagine chumming around with a chai latte and Longhorn in the "Cabin Cleaning" forum, or maybe you'd like to join forces with Lake Alice in the "General - You Are Not Gonna Believe Every Post is About ALPA" thread. A personal favorite is the "190s Suck, When Are We Gonna Send Them Back to Brazil" thread.

Lots of good stuff in there. Any takers?

This chef can't even cook for his own family, so why should we give him the time of day. Your posts are always tasteless and meaningless. You've never had a good thing to say, so if it's so bad here, why don't you do us all a favor and just leave!!! The 100% of F/Os I fly with here are all geniune class acts, I'm glad I haven't had the pleasure to fly with you because then you'd ruin my streak. If you were my kid I would've spanked you by now for your attitude; but then again, that would've been the first physical contact you've had in years and you might enjoy it...

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Don't you have to register w/ your employee #? wouldn't be to hard to figure out who a person is?...

PS Your DN daughter thing was a little tasteless IMOA

God, some of you people are humorless. You telling me you never laugh at or tell an off-color joke? Seriously? I am Catholic, you saying you never laughed at a joke that started with ... "So a Priest walks into a bar with a naked wiener dog under his arm..."

As for my offer, no I am not serious. I guess the elevated life forms on this planet (i.e. non-oxygen thieves) could get the sarcasm in that post. But if you don't think that someone, somewhere is using bluepilots that shouldn't, then you are truly naive. I know of at least two that don't work at jb anymore that still have access, and I wouldn't be surprised if many of the die-hard haters give their stuff out to their buds from time to time.

As for me, I challenge you to find a Bavarian Chef user name on bluepilots.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

This chef can't even cook for his own family, so why should we give him the time of day. Your posts are always tasteless and meaningless. You've never had a good thing to say, so if it's so bad here, why don't you do us all a favor and just leave!!! The 100% of F/Os I fly with here are all geniune class acts, I'm glad I haven't had the pleasure to fly with you because then you'd ruin my streak. If you were my kid I would've spanked you by now for your attitude; but then again, that would've been the first physical contact you've had in years and you might enjoy it...

Really? They are ALWAYS tasteless and meaningless? Are you sure? Or are you just prone to hyperbole? Do I ALWAYS have to put the standard disclaimer in my posts:

YES, I like jb. YES, we have great people. YES, we are having operational issues. YES, we are losing people. YES, some people want ALPA. YES, some don't. YES, I wish jb would be a better company. YES, in some ways we have it better than most airlines. YES, we don't get paid enough for our chosen profession. YES, the latest retirement improvements are a good thing. YES, we need to still make headway.


Did you just take your ball and go home?

 

[Longhorn]

Imagine chumming around with a chai latte and Longhorn in the "Cabin Cleaning" forum, or maybe you'd like to join forces with Lake Alice in the "General - You Are Not Gonna Believe Every Post is About ALPA" thread.

Hey now, I am not hanging out in the cabin cleaning forum. I am actually trying to enjoy work and life but not spending all my time there, but dam, it is addicting at times....I do enjoy how all the other posts turn into a pro-alpa post. It does not matter what you have to post....with 6 posts it turns into an alpa post. Kinda like 6 degrees of Kevin bacon...I mean alpa. Now, if you buying the coffee from four-bucks..I mean Starbucks then ill join you in any room you want.

btw, I picked up on the sarcasm this time

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Hey now, I am not hanging out in the cabin cleaning forum. I am actually trying to enjoy work and life but not spending all my time there, but damm, it is addicting at times....I do enjoy how all the other posts turn into a pro-alpa post. It does not matter what you have to post....with 6 posts it turns into an alpa post. Kinda like 6 degrees of kevin bacon...I mean alpa. Now, if you buying the coffee from four-bucks..I mean starbucks then ill join you in any room you want.

btw, I picked up on the sarcasim this time

FINALLY, someone with a balanced mental state. You must be very mature to not be so sensitive about jb all the time. Any chance you can come back and help out these jetblusers?

Now was that sarcasm or not? Irony or tragedy? Facetious or lascivious?

Occam -- need vocabulary help toot sweet!

 

[elag777]

God, some of you people are humorless. You telling me you never laugh at or tell an off-color joke? Seriously? I am Catholic, you saying you never laughed at a joke that started with ... "So a Priest walks into a bar with a naked wiener dog under his arm..."

As for my offer, no I am not serious. I guess the elevated life forms on this planet (i.e. non-oxygen thieves) could get the sarcasm in that post. But if you don't think that someone, somewhere is using bluepilots that shouldn't, then you are truly naive. I know of at least two that don't work at jb anymore that still have access, and I wouldn't be surprised if many of the die-hard haters give their stuff out to their buds from time to time.

As for me, I challenge you to find a Bavarian Chef user name on bluepilots.

Big difference between humour and taste there Chef, maybe you should start a cooking forum on BP's? Is it is cause you cook too much with onions that makes you cry so much???:nuts:

 

[Occam's Razor]

Occam -- need vocabulary help toot sweet!

Ah...a nascent kernal of intellectualism in a tub of over-popped rube-corn.

"Facetious" works.

Go with your Thetan Force, Maverick! <-(oh, man...I'm good!)

jetBlue bashers are goobs. jetBlue cheeleaders are worse. jetBlue "tweakers" and those of us who squint at posts that irritate us (it helps to blur some of the harsh rhetoric; allowing us to focus on the meaning) seem to be coping with the issues just fine.

Continue to thwack the geniuses who've got it all figured out. Their falderal would be scary if it wasn't so amusingly lame. If management is doing things to make you happy, there's a reason. Deep Throat said "follow the money".

 

[Occam's Razor]

Big difference between humour and taste there Chef, maybe you should start a cooking forum on BP's? Is it is cause you cook too much with onions that makes you cry so much!:nuts:

"humour"?

Lose the "u", Ringo! You guys lost the war! We sing "My Country 'Tis Of Thee" instead of "God Save The Queen"!

We use our hands when we play football, drive on the correct side of the road, and think Beckham was actually pretty cool for boinking his kid's nanny.

Humor triumphs all. It realeases endorphins, calms our spirit, and often perturbs pilots who are senior to us, causing them to develop high blood-pressure...so we can move up a number! (a win-win-win!)

The Neeleman's daughter quip was too over-the-top to be serious. Therefore, it was humor. Watch R. Lee Ermey in Full Metal Jacket again and tell me if you don't think his line, "I like you! You come over to my house and f#$k my sister!" is funny.

Chill, brother! Someday, you'll close your eyes and dreamily look back on this...and plow into a parked car.

That'll be funny, too!

 

[elag777]

"humour"?

Lose the "u", Ringo! You guys lost the war! We sing "My Country 'Tis Of Thee" instead of "God Save The Queen"!

We use our hands when we play football, drive on the correct side of the road, and think Beckham was actually pretty cool for boinking his kid's nanny.

Humor triumphs all. It realeases endorphins, calms our spirit, and often perturbs pilots who are senior to us, causing them to develop high blood-pressure...so we can move up a number! (a win-win-win!)

The Neeleman's daughter quip was too over-the-top to be serious. Therefore, it was humor. Watch R. Lee Ermey in Full Metal Jacket again and tell me if you don't think his line, "I like you! You come over to my house and f#$k my sister!" is funny.

Chill, brother! Someday, you'll close your eyes and dreamily look back on this...and plow into a parked car.

That'll be funny, too!

As I hope you would agree it is the "English" language , and either is correct! depending on the side of the pond you are from! But I greatly appreciate you telling me how to spell in American!

humour (AMUSEMENT) UK, US humor Show phonetics
noun
the ability to be amused by things, the way in which people see that some things are amusing or the quality of being amusing:
He's got a great sense of humour (= he is very able to see things as amusing).
I must say I find his schoolboy (= childish) humour rather tiresome.

color Show phonetics
noun
US FOR colour Another example of you being lazy and saving ink!

The only thing I like about Beckham is his wife! And the Brits actually use their feet in football! I think it was Jude Law that did the nanny?


(from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary)

 

[Occam's Razor]

RE: "(from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary)"

When you get past the "Learner's" stage...call me!

And actually, I think Beckham and Jude Law are the same guy.

Not that it matters. Those Limey fruits wouldn't stand a chance in a NASCAR infield or a Bass Masters fishing tournament! And in 'Merica, we only drink tea when the wife forgets to buy another 2lb can of Folgers!

Humor [Note spelling used in this country] is anything that is humorous. From Stoogian masterpieces ("Larry: Curly, you can't hunt here!" Curly: Nyuk...the sign sez 'Fine for hunting"!) to the droll, waggish stylings of Triumph, the Insult Comedy Dog...to the fecular droppings of the FI.com brain trust...if it makes you laugh, it's a good thing!

Carry on.

 

[elag777]

RE: "(from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary)"

When you get past the "Learner's" stage...call me!

And actually, I think Beckham and Jude Law are the same guy.

Not that it matters. Those Limey fruits wouldn't stand a chance in a NASCAR infield or a Bass Masters fishing tournament! And in 'Merica, we only drink tea when the wife forgets to buy another 2lb can of Folgers!

Humor [Note spelling used in this country] is anything that is humorous. From Stoogian masterpieces ("Larry: Curly, you can't hunt here!" Curly: Nyuk...the sign sez 'Fine for hunting"!) to the droll, waggish stylings of Triumph, the Insult Comedy Dog...to the fecular droppings of the FI.com brain trust...if it makes you laugh, it's a good thing!

Carry on.

You must be still just learning while I am advanced!

Just as a Yank would not stand a chance in the Gloucestershire annual cheese chasing race!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6497209968924058221

 

[SoCentralRain]

"humour"?

Lose the "u", Ringo! You guys lost the war! We sing "My Country 'Tis Of Thee" instead of "God Save The Queen"!

Well now, Occam, I'd refer to the latter as a fine example of ennui in this dilapidated industry of ours--but only if performed by the Sex Pistols.

fadeout coda: "No future...no future...no future...for you!"

Perhaps this is what elag had in mind all along.

Or as Principal Skinner once said, "He embiggened that role with his cromulent performance!"

Cheers,

SCR

 

[clickclickboom]

Your sarcasm meter is broken as usual. But since you can't take the time to refute the non-sarcastic items in my post, I have devised the following:

Hey, I got a unique proposal for all those interested in jb. Since you can't get the straight skinny here on FI.com (and we all know the jb vs jb similar is getting old) then PM me and I will give you my bluepilots.com user name and password.

You can then check it out for yourself. That's as straight as it's gonna get.

Imagine chumming around with a chai latte and Longhorn in the "Cabin Cleaning" forum, or maybe you'd like to join forces with Lake Alice in the "General - You Are Not Gonna Believe Every Post is About ALPA" thread. A personal favorite is the "190s Suck, When Are We Gonna Send Them Back to Brazil" thread.

Lots of good stuff in there. Any takers?

Well you took the bait with such a simple statement!! Seriously Chef run for the PVC or PCG we could use you there instead of being the daily fluffer for oscams razor, frank lorenzo, and general lee


I like you chef i really do !!!

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Your DN daughter thing was a little tasteless IMO

give me a break

 

[Oh-ryan]

God, some of you people are humorless. You telling me you never laugh at or tell an off-color joke? Seriously? I am Catholic, you saying you never laughed at a joke that started with ... "So a Priest walks into a bar with a naked wiener dog under his arm..."

As for my offer, no I am not serious. I guess the elevated life forms on this planet (i.e. non-oxygen thieves) could get the sarcasm in that post. But if you don't think that someone, somewhere is using bluepilots that shouldn't, then you are truly naive. I know of at least two that don't work at jb anymore that still have access, and I wouldn't be surprised if many of the die-hard haters give their stuff out to their buds from time to time.

As for me, I challenge you to find a Bavarian Chef user name on bluepilots.

Chef... you need to get off of Dave's daughter. I just did.