Frontier reaches TA with pilots

[OpenClimb]

And what do we have now that prevents management from adopting the flyi business model, stopping delivery of Airbi, and grabbing a bunch of 50-95 seaters?

A short, simple and supremely effective answer:

The status quo provisions of the Railway Labor Act--properly asserted by FAPA.

 

[jamesslally]

A short, simple and supremely effective answer:

The status quo provisions of the Railway Labor Act--properly asserted by FAPA.

Ya, we've really got them by the balls now.

 

[Larcifer]

We didn't hold them accountable for violating our current scope why bother with a reworded one?

 

[Aviator7576]

pax carriers

jetalc...

Before you get your panties in a wad, F9 refers to pax carriers once in the statement concerning first year FO pay. If he so intended, I gave him the pass in my post. Yes, I actually do read the posts before responding, perhaps you should read mine again.

Aviator7576

 

[DougCorp-9]

I don't understand why someone can't post some details? Its not like it is classified information.

 

[StaySeated]

85517 and 82011

I was reviewing the TA and the scope section. I noticed that the small jets are limited to a max gross of 85,517lbs.

Coincidence?

http://www.embraercommercialjets.com/english/content/ejets/emb_175.asp?tela=weights_dimensions

There is an additional reference to 82011. That would be this version of the EMB..

http://www.embraercommercialjets.com/english/content/ejets/emb_170.asp?tela=weights_dimensions

Either they threw those gross weights in there to fack with us or they are planning on buying EMB 175's and 170's at lynx. Regardless, I am reviewing the TA with the assumption that I will never upgrade. Lynx will be as big as F9 by the end of this contract, and that might be a best case scenario.

 

[DougCorp-9]

I don't understand why someone can't post some details? Its not like it is classified information.

 

[ferlo]

I don't understand why someone can't post some details? Its not like it is classified information.

If they won't post the details then they got F'd...no middle ground.

 

[PCL_128]

Have you guys learned nothing about scope concessions over the past 15+ years? Take a look at Delta, my friends. At DAL, 49% of the total system block hours are flown by Delta Connection carriers. This is what scope concessions lead to. Don't start down this road.

 

[HighSpeed]

Scope is dead............

 

[Shrek]

YOU.....are a tool

 

[monkeybrains01]

I don't understand why someone can't post some details? Its not like it is classified information.

What do you want to know.

-Unlimited TPs, 1 for 2 Rjs for Airbus currently on property, 1 for 1 after that. -30% up to 88 seats.
-Pay freeze fo CAs (stretches the longevity scale to 14 years)
-COLA raises in year 3 and 4 (1.5% I think)
-RSV rules change a bit, nothing too bad
-6% DC (starts 3rd year of longevity at 2+% and creeps up a little each year
-New 1st year f/o pay drops to around $36 / hr
-The hats stay
-They spent a lot of time on successorship, merger, etc
-A bunch of other stuff, (some ok, some not so OK) but the first line is the biggie,

 

[DougCorp-9]

Pay freeze is another way of saying paycut. Your buying power is decreasing. A COLA is a pay freeze. I hope you guys don't bite off on this.

 

[ualdriver]

Well if they get a DC contribution that they weren't getting otherwise, that has to be taken into consideration as far as a pay freeze is concerned. For example, if a Frontier guy next year is getting a 2% DC contribution and a 1 1/2% pay raise, and he was getting neither before, then in fact that is a raise of over 3 1/2% (when considering tax implications). I'm not saying that's what they're getting because I'm not entirely sure from monkeybrain's post as it lacks much detail, but I guess that's possible. More details would be nice.

I agree with the guys above about scope. Don't make the same mistakes we did at the legacies and give away those 70 seaters. Heck, or the 50 seaters either........

 

[curtaindriver]

This may have been covered, so I apologize. But, why are you guys in concessionary discussions at all? Obviously the storm over the holidays wreaked some havoc, but this ball was rolling before that. F9 seems to be ok with spending money on Lynx and other sub-contracted vendors to fly airplanes, so why the need to ask for give-backs....and yes freezes are paycuts. My opinion doesn't mean anything, but you guys/gals should be fighting for those EMB's to be on property and flown by current F9 pilots. Good luck. We have our own problems here at JetBlue, and yes the payscale sucks on the 190....but at least we fly it.

CD