Frontier reaches TA with pilots

[lowecur]

A 100% pay cut cannot drive WN from Denver. No, but it can keep the airline flying without having to seek BK or a merger partner in the near term. They are large enough that they can afford to lose their a$$es in Denver for a long, long time if all they are trying to do is run F9 out of business. Didn't they just get their 5th gate and don't you think they would take more if they were available? You just gotta make sure the world understands how much better the F9 product really is. That is the only way to win that battle. With meager cash reserves just how long can that formula hold up?

You sir, are an airline manager's dream. I'm a realist palley, and the UAL, DL, NWA, US Air, and AMR pilot MEC's were in la la land the 5 years prior to 2003. It became a, can you top this one. I'll say it again, the mgt of those airlines created much of the adversarial confrontations, but the MECs have to take just as much responsibility for those unsustainable contracts. Rather than make the CEO figure out how to fix the problem, you are stepping forward from the lineup, raising your hand, and saying "Yo Potter, over here, I'm the problem". And your check, by the way, is not the problem.

PIPE​

Your response is the typical "take one for the Gipper, er I mean the other pilots." The pilot's should have demanded COLA wage increases, and if they didn't get it they should start job actions, thus possibly putting a dagger in the heart of any already weak company. Next up would be BK (the new version...which could force them to liquidate), or a buyout from Jetblue with the help of Wall St or private equity. These would all be substantial steps down from where they are today.​

imp:​

 

[newnan]

A 100% pay cut cannot drive WN from Denver. No, but it can keep the airline flying without having to seek BK or a merger partner in the near term.


.... Work for free, yea you are mgmt's dream.

 

[Shrek]

Lowecur........you need to peruse the RLA my friend.

........The pilot's should have demanded COLA wage increases, and if they didn't get it they should start job actions......

 

[swa737-700]

Duh, is it possible the pilot's are putting the airlines health ahead of their own immediate financial needs? Anyone here think those Dec snowstorms will put a dent in the meager cash reserves? I do, and so do the pilots'.

F9 needs all the help it can get to maintain viability in the next few years. JP has done an excellent job, but it's no secret why SWA is in Denver. They tried to cut the knees out from under US but the merger took care of that plan. SWA has changed their predatory model from siphoning off travelers from the former disfunctional legacy carriers, to one of trying to put the weaker carriers under.

imp:​

Amazing,
Now whatever you get or do not get in your new contract is SWA's fault and not the fault of your own management or pilot group? Those 33 SWA flights out of DIA must really be kicking your butts. YGBSM!!!

 

[pipe]

Lowecur-

1. Staying out of bankruptcy in the near term has never fixed a systemic problem in airline history - it just puts you in bankruptcy in the long-term instead.

2. If Potter needs to hide cash and assets for a quick trip through BK he now has a ready-made pigeonhole for it - Lynx.

3. WN is not limited by the number of gates. They have, and will, build a whole new friggin' terminal themselves if they want gates.

4. Large percentage changes in F9 pilot compensation can only swing the balance sheet one million dollars (maximum) in a quarter. If F9 had been coming up one million short of profit quarter after quarter I'd buy it. That, however, is not the case.

5. I am a neutral, third-party observer. Volunteer to work for free for all I care. I think I'm in a position to look at it pretty objectively though.

PIPE

 

[lowecur]

A 100% pay cut cannot drive WN from Denver. No, but it can keep the airline flying without having to seek BK or a merger partner in the near term.


.... Work for free, yea you are mgmt's dream.

How will you know until you try it?

imp:​

 

[lowecur]

Lowecur........you need to peruse the RLA my friend.

........The pilot's should have demanded COLA wage increases, and if they didn't get it they should start job actions......

That makes alot of sense it you are the new legacy guys/gals. You think COLA is going to be enough when US Air's contract is up?:laugh: I see Neeleman said that if the US/DL merger doesn't go through, consolidation amongst the legacy's will die on the vine. I see it getting past the creditors, but will the Feds want to get the ball rolling, or wait until the next downturn?

imp:​

 

[newnan]

slo cure, 4 replies and you choose mine to respond to first. I was looking for a little more wisdom from your crystal ball.

Working for free is charity and I'll save that for volunteering to help 60 and a day year old pilots that didn't plan well if I choose, not for a company I work for.

 

[lowecur]

Amazing,
Now whatever you get or do not get in your new contract is SWA's fault and not the fault of your own management or pilot group? Those 33 SWA flights out of DIA must really be kicking your butts. YGBSM!!!

I blame everything on SWA/FO. Incidently, I predict they will be up to 100 flts per day by 2010, and F9 will be making up their minds about BK or B6. At least it bought them some time to fight another day.

imp:​

 

[lowecur]

Lowecur-

1. Staying out of bankruptcy in the near term has never fixed a systemic problem in airline history - it just puts you in bankruptcy in the long-term instead. It gives you a chance to fight another day. Very important is todays world of unknowns.

2. If Potter needs to hide cash and assets for a quick trip through BK he now has a ready-made pigeonhole for it - Lynx. Ok, what's Lynx?

3. WN is not limited by the number of gates. They have, and will, build a whole new friggin' terminal themselves if they want gates. All in due time. DIA recently announced plans to add at least 8 gates to Concourse C by 2010, that could conceivably give SWA 13 by that time.

4. Large percentage changes in F9 pilot compensation can only swing the balance sheet one million dollars (maximum) in a quarter. If F9 had been coming up one million short of profit quarter after quarter I'd buy it. That, however, is not the case. Any reasonable kind of raise ain't gonna put the company out of business, but it may encourage other workers to seek their share (at a time when they can least afford it). JP was going to hold the line in negotiations, in which case the next step would be job actions. The in-house extended a fig leaf to show the company they will do their small part to remain viable.

5. I am a neutral, third-party observer. Volunteer to work for free for all I care. I think I'm in a position to look at it pretty objectively though. OK.

PIPE

.....

imp:​

 

[PCL_128]

You guys do realize that you're debating with a guy that sits in a cubicle and sells insurance all day, right?

 

[pipe]

I'd let it go but he may be the dumbest insurance salesman on earth.

PIPE

 

[lowecur]

You guys do realize that you're debating with a guy that sits in a cubicle and sells insurance all day, right?

Is it groundhog day, or did Bill Murray just show up?

Besides, insurance is a very noble profession and actually makes money unlike the airline business. If you ever need a recommendation selling Car Insurance, let me know and I'll speak with the geco.

imp:​

 

[lowecur]

I'd let it go but he may be the dumbest insurance salesman on earth.

PIPE

Pipe, now was that nice? You must have gotten some bad weed in that pipe you're smoking.

Oh well, the name calling always starts when you have no arguement.

imp:​

 

[PCL_128]

Besides, insurance is a very noble profession and actually makes money unlike the airline business.

And yet you keep dumping your money into airline-dependent stock. I think Pipe may be right about your intelligence.