Would NetJets Strike If...?

[glasspilot]

NJW:

I replied to the tone of a specific phrase and edited to highlight that phrase. It illustrates how you look down on the rest of the fractional operators. Just because you claim the argument is for the betterment of smaller fractionals it doesn't make it any less insulting to hear.

It's like if I said, "I believe we need to fight poverty. We should get every lazy, filthy, low income drain on society a job."

Maybe your little "NJ pond" comment wasn't as extreme as that but I hope you see my point. You've posted variations many times and it's clear to me that you see NJ as the rightful King of the fractional empire and the rest of us are the scourge that annoy with the only hope of salvation being to join 1108...and pay dues.

You mentioned that I conveniently left out the rest of your post...well you conveniently left out my 2nd post where I turned off the sarcasm and voiced my concern.

 

[FLYLOW22]

NJW:

I replied to the tone of a specific phrase and edited to highlight that phrase. It illustrates how you look down on the rest of the fractional operators.

I know NJW personally. I have worked with her. I can assure you that she is a stand up person.

What your point illustrates is that even Abraham Lincoln could type messages on a message board an dbe percieved as though he were Saddam Hussein.

The method of communication is very limited in that it shows NO non verbals and offers very little timely feedback.

NJW is passionate about the plight of many fractionals out there because we were there just about 1 year ago. She knows what it feels like to be stepped on and she disliked it. Many of us here disliked it.

We channeled our energy towards doing something useful to get us out of those circumstances. Today, IBT 1108 channels it's energy into enabling all of it's members the tools to help themselves.

Why? Because we can and it's the right thing to do.

 

[netjetwife]

To the contrary, Glass, I read both posts. As I have never claimed it to be my "pond" I felt that the 2nd post also unfairly characterized my expressions of support for the pilots to control the direction of their careers. I have also cheered on advisory councils and encouraged pilots to use whatever means they have available to further their goals.

The only thing clear about your interpretation of my posts is the fact that you are determined to apply meanings that have not been expressed nor implied. I have been both publicly (in posts) and privately (in PMs) thanked for offering frac pilots and their families encouragement and support. I regularly point out that the job duties are so similar that it is only fair that all frac pilots receive comparable pay and benefit packages. On this thread I recognized that the other frac groups may not want to join 1108 and I support their right to form their own collective bargaining unit.

In all fairness, it can't be denied that I'm one of the more respectful and mannerly posters on the board, and that is obvious to all long-time readers and posters. Thus, it is obvious to me that we will just have to agree to disagree on your opinion of my posts. That said, please leave my attitude and intentions entirely up to me. It should be evident that I'm quite capable of speaking for myself... Again, I invite any who are unsure of my meaning in my posts to ask me directly for an explanation which I will gladly supply.

 

[netjetwife]

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Flylow. Your interpretation is the correct one... I began posting here in the middle of the NJ contract battle. I complained bitterly about the NJA pay and working conditions, and as soon as pilots from other fracs pointed out that they were similarly underpaid/overworked, I extended my support to them, as well.

On a personal note, FL22, good luck with your decision. I know it's not easy and there is much to consider.

 

[glasspilot]

whatever

 

[netjetwife]

....I have actually seen an Ultra pilot jumping on the stairs until they broke and then wrote it up. That sounds like one happy employee there!

Giving that pilot the benefit of the doubt (only fair), there was probably already some damage you were unaware of. Were you standing there next to him? I've seen my husband test (by jumping on) deck boards, steps, etc to decide if it needs repaired/replaced. The rationale is that it's better for the host to ascertain the damage than an unsuspecting guest (or pax) to be injured. Appearances can be deceiving and we should reserve judgment until we have all of the facts.

 

[pilotpat]

Wow. I find it quite disheartening that this thread is still around, and even more so that people simply cannot move beyond their own pettiness. I point to no one in particular, as even I left a mean spirited message for Bogart, and I wish now I hadn't done so in that way. But 6 pages of dribble. Bickering. You'd think this was high school. Things always seem to end up with My Frac is better than Your Frac. Who cares? Maybe only the ones turned down for employment at My Frac, or those who didn't even get an interview at Your Frac are bickering even more......But in the end ~ Who cares? Dumb question for a thread, and even worse for the fact that people attempted to answer it and got bashed anyway. Sad.

I don't work for NJ (yet). I don't work for CS. I don't work for Avantair. However, I hope when I do get out of the 135 biz and into the frac's, that I won't worry so much about what's happening over at Brand X and instead focus my attention on doing the job and looking forward to being home with my family a little more.

My name is pilotpat and I endorse this message. imp:

 

[FLYLOW22]

whatever

Ok then.

 

[FLYLOW22]

RLA Process

Bogart,

You find in this RLA process where NJ 1108 can sympathy strike with FLOPS 1108 and you will anser your own question for yourself.

I think the answer you will find is no.

I need to clarify that last... The answer is no... UNLESS authorized by the court system. There are also other legal options that would equate to a sympathy strike as well.

 

[dash_trash]

Duane Worthless

Duene "Worthless" Woerth signed of on termination of pilot retirements at USAIR, UAL, and Delta. How manyy paycuts has he signed off on? He's been replaced. Doesn't sound like it to me he is fighting for the majors. How many regionals have taken a 50% pay cut?

At my previous regional I took a 43% paycut, and got hit with loss of pension, retroactive pay cuts, retro pre diem cuts, retro health care increases, and the list could go on.

These were part of the terms regarding a concessionary contract as dictated by the current CEO of Flight Options and signed off by Worthless at ALPO. It wasn't only the "majors" taking hits!

And now I have a 300%+ increase in health care benefits to look at thanks to Mr. Scheeringa. I'm sure this is only the first of many items to be looked at by the company. This is only one of the many reasons we are happy to have the 1108 working with us to help with the future of Options.

I personally don't think the leadership of the 1108 would take the same position ALPO has taken regarding the smaller companies. This is a fairly small sector of the aviation industry, and it is in everyone's best interest to keep the bar rising.

just my $.02

 

[netjetwife]

Dash, I totally agree that it is in everyone's best interest to pull all of the frac wages up to professional standards.

Yes, the regionals are another aviation industry that needs serious correction. My sympathies to those pilots and their families, as well. One would hope that if the frac pilots could bring wages up across their industry that it would help the regional pilots in their call for fair wages.

Pilotpat, I, too, would like to see less bickering and more working together.
Good Luck with your future,
Netjetwife

 

[SCT]

NJW- you keep saying "professional standards". Define what you mean (in 4 sentances or less).

 

[jonjuan]

NJW- you keep saying "professional standards". Define what you mean (in 4 sentances or less).

What CS gets paid.

 

[netjetwife]

In line with NBAA figures and well above the blue-collar wages many frac pilots are paid.

Do I get a bonus for answering in one sentence...

 

[brewerdog]

yes and thank you

 

[Bad Monkey!]

Humphreybogart Enjoy your micro world now. Hope you have a job app in at McDonald's because when the union is in it will become a closed shop and you will be paying dues.

Too bad there's bad apples in every bunch.

 

[brewerdog]

is Micky D's a closed shop now too?

 

[FRACTRASH]

Bad Monkey, You said it's going to become a closed shop. Please, with a remark like that, who's living in a micro world? You guys just think you're all mighty. You NJ pilots keep saying our day will come and NJ used to be a good place. Face it, we learned from your mistakes and we are now the new breed non-union shop fractional. It makes me laugh, it wasn't too long ago you NJ pilots were telling everyone to stay away, it's horrible working here. Now, because you get more money, it's suddenly the place to be. It's still the same old employee beating sweat shop it was before the contract, you now just get paid more and suddenly all is well. I was happy with CS before the pay raise and I'm now just happier several years later. You might think I just fell of the truck yesterday, but I have considerable aviation experience and that includes fighting management. The 1108 didn't just reinvent the wheel here, it's just the same old Union battle that's been going on for ever. But, somehow management always has a way to get what they want in the long run. Good luck!

 

[FRACTRASH]

If it's so wonderful being in the 1108, then why is NJI fighting tooth and nail not to join you beloved union? Makes me wonder.

 

[gunfyter]

Humphreybogart Enjoy your micro world now. Hope you have a job app in at McDonald's because when the union is in it will become a closed shop and you will be paying dues.

Too bad there's bad apples in every bunch.

My theory is this:

Cool-Ade drinkers are like alcoholics. You have to hit ROCK BOTTOM before you get motivated to go to that first AA meeting.

As long as managements don't allow this condition to occur ... nobody will be looking to start on a 12-step program there.

I drank the 284 Cool-Ade all the way to the POS TA of 2004 came out.

So as long as managements stays in the ballpark with raises and work conditions compared to those negotiated by 1008. I don't see organization at that particular company happening. Cool-ade drinlkers will continue to inbibe.